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Antigen:
Well, looking at it slightly differently, we're halfway there.
I think of each of these programs as a part of a much larger movement. How scary are they? Ask a Nicaraguan or an Afghan woman who lived through US funding and support or anyone (long list) who's endured decades of covert and overt US military operations in their neighborhoods, austensibly in the name of the drug war.
But it's not a centrally organized, controled cult. It's more like a movement; I guess I'm describing what some people call the culture war. I think there still are two viable sides to the issue w/ a whole lot of uninformed, uninterested folks in the middle.
The wretchedness of religion is at once an expression and a protest against real wretchedness. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the feeling of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of unspiritual conditions. It is the opium of the people.
--Karl Marx, German economist and political philosopher
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Botched Programming:
Scientology Fundamentals by L. Ron Hubbard
What is Scientology? Scientology is an applied religious philosophy.
The term Scientology is taken from the Latin word scio (knowing in the fullest sense of the word) and the Greek word logos (study of). In itself the word means literally knowing how to know. Scientology is further defined as the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, universes and other life. Any comparison between Scientology and the subject known as psychology is nonsense.
For Full Essay http://www.ronthephilosopher.org/page43.htm
Religion is all bunk.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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Ft. Lauderdale:
What, specifically, do you think he's exagerating, Lauderdale?
"sending people out to throw you in cars"
I remember talk of this happening back then, and so I wasn't at all surprised when it happened in Straight.
"padlock you in buildings at night"
Ditto. Padlocks, dead bolts, travelers' locks and even an instance of an attack dog tied outside the bedroom door.
"sit in wooden chairs for twelve hours a day"
'We come each day from 10 till 10....'
"getting screamed at and sexually humiliated."
I think we've pretty well reached a consensus on that one. Remember the rule about not doing that in front of "company" at open meetings? Why in the world would you need a rule like that if it were not going on when the parents weren't sitting there?
"No, the seed was scientology on speed, I am afraid you have that backwards."
I think there's a much darker side to Scientology than what the typical recruit gets. Remember Linda McPherson? Sure, now you can just google her name and read all about it. But back a few years ago, there were very few people willing to speak up about that whole ordeal. And the lawyer who pressed the issue was severely harassed.
I can't say the Seed ever was as scary as Scientology. Not that it drew from any higher moral well or anything. They'd do whatever they could get away with, just like anybody. But they never were so powerful a cult as Hubbard's little shindig.
HERESAY THATS WHAT ALOT OF THE ABOVE IS.
NO ONE SAT IN WOODEN CHAIRS SINCE 1972. NO ONE EVER THREW ANYONE IN A CAR THAT I SAW.
ANYTHING COULD HAVE HAPPENED AND MAYBE ISOLATED INCIDENTS OF CERTAIN THINGS MAY HAVE HAPPENED.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT WAS OVER 30 YEARS AGO. THAT SHIT I NEVER SAW AND YOU KEEP SAYING THAT YOU HEARD IT HAPPENED YOU WERE NEVER THERE.
I SAY GET OVER IT ALSO. THE SEED WAS NOT PERFECT BUT YOU SURE AS HELL ARN'T EITHER.
A HELL OF ALOT OF GOOD WAS DONE ...PEOPLE'S LIVES CHANGED FOR THE BETTER...I DON'T CARE WHAT THE F--- YOU SAY. I WAS THERE.
PS THE CAPS WERE USED , BECAUSE IT WAS EASIER.[ This Message was edited by: Ft. Lauderdale on 2005-09-27 13:14 ]
Antigen:
Are you calling my brothers and my parents liars? Oh, and not only them, let's see, neighbors, friends, teachers, newspaper reporters... the list could go on and on.
Greg has said over and over again that, much to his shame, he himself participated in just such an incident. Even John confirmed that you guys did chase people down and lock them in. Not always, but often enough. His words exactly, if I remember right, were "Of course we did, we wanted them to stay".
Why do you feel such a strong need to contradict what is plain fact to all of us who were involved at the time? And yes, I was there, for years. Just because I wasn't in group from 10 - 10 doesn't mean I had no accurate information.
I am sick unto death of obscure English towns that exist seemingly for the sole accommodation of these so-called limerick writers -- and even sicker of their residents, all of whom suffer from physical deformities and spend their time dismembering relatives at fancy dress balls.
--Editor of the Limerick Times
(Limerick, Ireland)
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Helena Handbasket:
Well, Barker was almost half-right on the Niacin thing. Chronic alcoholics are usually deficient in Niacin. I used to ride on an ambulance, and we stocked niacin for the more symptomatic drunks. Don't get me wrong - it never snapped them into reality, but it was medical protocol.
But strychnine pockets???? Oh come ON! Where exactly were these "pockets" located? :rofl:
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Where are we going, and what are we doing in this handbasket??[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-09-27 20:02 ]
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