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Ft. Lauderdale:
I think you are over exaggerating Greg as usual.
Its kind of like a lie detector test I once took before I entered the Seed. Let me clairfy this right away. It was done at a place I worked before I ever thought about going into the Seed.
I thought I was being honest about drug usage, but I probably would have in reality been popping a pill every hour on the hour every day of my life if I would have thought about it. I was way off, but at the time I thought I was telling the truth. They never fired me either, strange. They must have liked me. I in reality remember a couple of over the top raps. I'm sure if you thought about it you would come up with the same figures.
GregFL:
I have thought about it. The whole shebang was way over the top, IMO..including but not limited to the extreme raps and the "you couldn't fuck a coke bottle" style therapy some of the kids got.
Antigen:
What, specifically, do you think he's exagerating, Lauderdale?
"sending people out to throw you in cars"
I remember talk of this happening back then, and so I wasn't at all surprised when it happened in Straight.
"padlock you in buildings at night"
Ditto. Padlocks, dead bolts, travelers' locks and even an instance of an attack dog tied outside the bedroom door.
"sit in wooden chairs for twelve hours a day"
'We come each day from 10 till 10....'
"getting screamed at and sexually humiliated."
I think we've pretty well reached a consensus on that one. Remember the rule about not doing that in front of "company" at open meetings? Why in the world would you need a rule like that if it were not going on when the parents weren't sitting there?
"No, the seed was scientology on speed, I am afraid you have that backwards."
I think there's a much darker side to Scientology than what the typical recruit gets. Remember Linda McPherson? Sure, now you can just google her name and read all about it. But back a few years ago, there were very few people willing to speak up about that whole ordeal. And the lawyer who pressed the issue was severely harassed.
I can't say the Seed ever was as scary as Scientology. Not that it drew from any higher moral well or anything. They'd do whatever they could get away with, just like anybody. But they never were so powerful a cult as Hubbard's little shindig.
I don't think that a drug that creates euphoria in patients with terminal diseases is having an adverse effect.
--San Francisco oncologist & AIDS doctor, Donald Abrams, M.D.
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Anonymous:
In the hippie subculture of the late '60s & early 70s, it was fairly common to believe that niacin "would clean your system." It's origin, to the best of my recollection, was Haight-Ashbury.
It was believed that niacin could help clean the acid out those experiencing bad trips.
GregFL:
Well, scientology is big and scary because frankly it is big and powerfull.
I am talking about the every day techniques used. They are no where near coercive as the seed was.
Imagine if Art had accomplished building a major cult the size of scientology full with his "seed army", with thousands upon thousands of kids sitting captive in warehouses till they "got it".
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