Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Genreal Discussion on the WWASP Parent's BBS??
Anonymous:
WWASP is a cult, a very profitable one. There is no debate, other than what we should do to shut these places down. Arguing the legality, or morality of these programs with programmies is a waste of time. A complete waste of time. At least for those who lived it, because we know. Obviously, the program supporters do not. If they do, then they are brainwashed, like in any cult. Shut the cult down!!! :evil:
AtomicAnt:
--- Quote ---I won't respond to comments about Jamaica or other out of country facilities, because I have no experience with that. But please check your facts on law enforcement and other investigations here in the states. Law enforcement can indeed go and ask about the child. They can ask to see them and talk to them. If the program wants some documentation, they can require that, but I have never heard of any doing so.
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I already have, and while the laws do vary from state to state, no, law enforcement cannot just waltz onto private property and start questioning juveniles. They need a warrant.
Just go and read the headlines about the boy who killed his 14-year-old girlfriend's parents in PA. The couple fled to IN. IN police were not permitted to interview the girl because IN law says minors can only be interviewed while their parent or guardian are present.
--- Quote ---As far as practicality, that's not the issue for schools here in the USA. Surely if you felt your child was being maltreated, simple practicality would not take priority!
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How can you say this? Utah is very far away from New Jersey or Virginia.
--- Quote ---According to the laws of at least three states I looked at (most are available online), CPS has the authority to investigate abuse complaints no matter who owns or runs the school.
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That's right. Someone has to file a complaint. The incarcerated teen is not permitted this basic protection.
--- Quote ---And basing your ideas about the mail handling on reports here and in the news is a mistake. Read the policies and procedures of the individual schools.
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My 'ideas' about the mail are taken from WWASPS own contract. I quote from one:
Due to the potential harm that certain mail could cause your child or progress, we as legal guardians (having both legal an physical custody) direct and authorize Tranquility Bay and its staff to monitor all outgoing and incoming mail.
They are all pretty much the same.
Certainly, this has a chilling effect on what a client will write and opens the door for punishing negative remarks or abuse allegations.
--- Quote ---I am speaking from my own experience. You are absolutely mistaken about how this works.
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As parent, client, or staff? Just curious.
IDunno:
These programs that have been created to "better your children" are full of shit. there are things that i got out of the program but i have to say that i wish i could erase them. Starting day one I learned the key to success, which was manipulation. I knew if i could make friends and learn how to make people think i was ok and getting better the sooner i was going home. little did i know by faking it until i made it would ruin my life. I dont know how to be myself anymore. Every situation i get myself in I automatically think on how to manipulate the situation. Everyday i am afraid that someone might find out that i am empty inside. This place took everything from(my deepest secrets, the bad experiences that drove my life, my passions) now all i have is this unmanagable apathy towords life. sometimes i think the thing that will help me is to contact some of my friends i met there but they are nowhere to be found because fucked up parents dont want their kids names to be mentioned. i have a message to you all. FUCK YOU!!!! see i am a depressive and when everything was taken out of me, i realized that i had to face life. well the truth is that i wasnt ready to face life quite so fast and in return that was even more depressing. well having that said i can no longer continue with this post. I want people to respond and in doing so you will get an answer for any question you may have and untill next time......good day
Anonymous:
My heart goes out to you and I hope that you are able to find your way back to yourself. Have you communicated with KAT on the Mission Mountain Thread? She had a really rough time of it too, and might have some ideas for you on where you can turn for some real help. In time you will be able to heal the spirit those despicable people so badly damaged. I can tell it is still in there because you still have spunk and passion, and are able to articulate the problems they caused you very well. Communicate with others who have been been through it, even if they are from different programs. Best of luck to you.
Cayo Hueso:
I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. I've been there a few times myself. don't know who long you'v been "out", but once you really begin to realize what happened to you sometimes the pain and anger get overwhelming. All I can say is it does pass. Dont' get me wrong, it comes back again but it seems like its a little easier to deal with each time.
When I get really bad like that I put in my fav. cd and go for walk on the beach. Sound cliche, but more than half the time it settles me enough to start again.
It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.
--Joseph Goebbels
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