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as per your request
marcwordsmith:
Amen. Thank you, Greg.
So . . . I wonder if there is anything we can do, as an interested demographic, to end or limit these kind of abuses as they exist in the present. Kind of like a "Veterans Against the War" group? Wouldn't it be great if we could actually--forgive the expression!--save some kids?
We're definitely more powerful together than any of us are alone. Perhaps those of us interested in this idea should start to brainstorm a little.
Antigen:
Well, I have to agree that these teen programs have always been about the parents. And yes, that's exactly how they're marketed.
But not all the parents who fall for it are insane beyond redemption. A good many, in fact, come to their senses after awhile, pull their kids, help pursue civil and criminal action against the abusive programs. Remember, too, that the marketers now have an array of program names and marketing material to choose from. So they can sell a parent even more effectively on whatever they want to hear.
So the market remains strong. Even in a case like Brown Schools where a few lawsuits and regulatory sanctions drove them into bankruptcy, they just ship most of the kids to other programs, sell off the properties to other program operators, hang a new shingle and continue w/ business as usual. This is often true even of programs where kids die of stupid things like dehydration, exhaustion, exposure and untreated illness. And the operators and majority of the parents are just as adept as Seedlings ever were at blaming the kid for it.
Here's a prime example:
--- Quote ---Corey had snapped as he and Laura discussed implementing one of Teen Help's latest practices ? removing kids from their homes if they didn't follow a strict behavior contract.
Despite the tragic outcome, Laura says that Teen Help was a godsend. Without it, she says, Corey might have died years earlier.
http://www.denver-rmn.com/desperate/sit ... esp1.shtml
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I'm pretty certain that's exactly how my mother would respond if it were me.
Now, there are legislative efforts in the works to better regulate and control the industry. Just search these forums on "institutional child abuse" or "rep miller" for leads on that. Personally, I don't see any significant progress in this area since HRS managed to force Straight to hang meaningless 'clients bill of rights' sheets on the walls back in around `81 or so.
Personally, I think the root of the problem goes back to the demonization of youth that's been going on here since the `60's and in Europe to some extent more recently. In our day, the Manson Family was the big shocker. What parent wasn't terrified that their middle class white kids would take a hit off a joint and then, suddenly, go crazy and knife them in their sleep? (oh yeah, all but our parents....)
Today, I think the propaganda is more pervasive and more varied. Just browse through this bestselling educational resource right here
http://www.disciplinehelp.com/ and tell me if you know of a soul on this planet who can't be tagged as dysfunctional thereby.
I think that, that broadly deployed corruption in our society is the problem that needs to be addressed. And the best way to address it is through dialog. RAMPANT Talkin' out in group!
I believe that all important matters have to be settled here, not in the clouds somewhere after we kick off.
--Billy Joel, American musician
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Ft. Lauderdale:
Stripe,
Where did you come up with JRENFRO. I went skiing
with someone by that name in 1978 or 79. I back tracked but am baffeled? :question:
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-04 07:13:00, Magpie wrote:
By the way, what would you have done differently if it were your child and you were worried about them dying?
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A complicated question indeed Maggie. First, one must explore the basic premise..IE: what were the real chances of a 14 year old drug experimenter dying as opposed to the "cure" harming them? What are the long term affects of behavior modification and specifically the warehouse type extreme behavior modification we were subjected to? On individuals? On groups? What is the death rate for 14 year old teenager drug experimenters not subjected to This form of treatment as opposed to the death rate of post Behavior modification kids? The drug addiction rate for these groups? The pyschological consequences on individuals? groups?
In other words..No one knew then, and they bloody well don't know now. Our parents collectively are guilty of jumping on the bandwagon and believing that the end justifyied the means. Many people have gradated these programs and then killed themselves. You know this first hand. Others have died of drug overdoses and at least one resident poster has severe mental issues.
So...what is the net result of being institutionalized in synanon based drug rehab for non addicted children? I suggest the anecodotal information indicates a negative gain on several levels.
In the very least this cultic immersion causes people to believe that they were so freaken worthless and powerless that they couldn't have possibly even survived without extreme intervention. I call bullshit on that for almost everyone who posts here, except for those of you that were truly addicted. The rest of you are just to smart and love life too much to not have found your way out of a little drug abuse problem at an early age. You all know people who as kids did some drugs and came out of it, and they may now be running your local bank or brokering your investment deals or even be a local politician or police official. What makes these people so much more able than you?
GregFL:
BTW, I must say that I have been in the position to watch my child get a bit abusive with substances, most notably drinking to excess when he was 16 and 17. I didn't like it nor could I really stop it. I did however make it clear to him how I felt about itI also came home several times to the smell of marijuana and even more shockingly caught him smoking marboro cigarrettes on several occasions. This really concerned me after seeing the long term affects of excessive tobacco addiction on my family and friends.
I chose to believe in him instead of some slick sales pitch, some snake oil salesman promising to change my kid into someone that believed in God, country and himself.
Hell, I knew he already believed in himself and was just making bad decisions, and I knew the time had come and gone for me to get in there and "Fix" him and further knew from personal experience that attempting to change who someone is often backfires into a situation that quickly spirals out of control. I chose to believe in him, and I always will.
I am very very proud to say that soon he will be graduating college and is a fine young man...
No behavior modification necessary, and no threat of deathinsanityjail looming over his juvenile foolish decisions.
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