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Ft. Lauderdale:
I disagree. The "bill of goods" was.
1) get kids off drugs
2) We teach kids to " Love self , Love God and Love Country"
thats how I remember it.
Magpie:
There was alot to be learned at the Seed. #1 - learn to love thyself and God. #2 - I loved the expression "get out of your head". When I am feeling sad about something that expression still comes to mind and helps me realize that I need to move on and stop feeling sorry for myself. I look around sometimes and realize that I have alot more insight into life than most of the people I am around do. Most people have not ever taken the time in their lives to learn about themselves because it's not always pleasant. I thank God everyday for the Seed and all that I gained from it. If you didn't gain anything, I guess that was your choice and your loss. My motto in life is to Make the Best out of Things -- we have a choice (choose to go outside today and enjoy the day instead of writing in this website). By the way, what would you have done differently if it were your child and you were worried about them dying? And the last thing is, sorry it didn't help everyone but thank God it helped me and several of my wonderful new/old friends. It's not too late to go outside and have some fun or enjoy life.
Stripe:
JRENFRO YOU ASK: (Sorry if I misspelled your screen name)
What kind of parent "buys" an organization that says, "Turn your kid over to us, just let us do what we do, and we'll turn that kid into a model child, with the proper attitude." ??
THEY ARE DOING IT RIGHT NOW - TODAY. In these very times in which we live and breathe. These drug rehab businesses did it from the inception. If this MARKETING works (which it does) and it keeps profits steady or drives profits up, then it is never changed- it is only improved upon. That's business plain and simple.
I wrote on another thread about my "baiting" application to a company out in Utah. I swear it was real. Try it yourself if you don't believe me. It might take about 3 or 4 hours, but you will get confirmation of what I wrote. You can arrange for it all on-line.
The people who think it did not happen 30 years ago are just as blind now as folks were back then. Blind to what right in front of your faces.
Why give John Underwood or any other blind sleeping people any power or creedence by responding to the obviously condescending and programmed responses. Seriously, let 'em hang in the wind.
Guys, it's time to get active and serously look at our lives and what we have done, or not done, as a result of our experiences. Put the knowledge and proof you have from the past month into action.
Just a thought.[ This Message was edited by: Stripe on 2005-09-04 08:02 ]
GregFL:
No, its not too late to enjoy anything. In fact, right now I am outside, In Indonesia, and having a blast.
Shout Out Maggie.
Here is the thing...you "choose" to take positive lessons from the seed. You found god where god really only existed in a conceptual form, not where any god..christian or otherwise..was studied or revered. That is your choice..
I would ask you again Maggie My friend..do you realize you were in a cult, and how do you feel about that?
John...others have answered you much better than I choose to try here. You keep throwing diversions out there a la seed tactics instead of engaging people in real diaglogue. No matter, that as well is your choice.
The order of the day, fT. Laud, at the seed can be anything you want, but that does not change the reality that it was shoved down the throat of people that didn't want or need it, and mixed in with all these sappy lessons you people extol was at the core an exlusionary cult based on the hero worship of a smidget of a man who attempted to replace the families of normal people with the seed while he sat on his on created throne on his own little kingdom. The wonderful "lessons" that art originated are today, as we speak, being forced on young kids that smoked a joint or two and are now locked away from normal society until such time as their will and spirit are sufficiently broke until they "get it".
How about Someone swings by your house right now and locks you in a room until you convert to Islam? Would you then be extoling the virtues of Mohammed to us 30 years later? Does the fact that Positive lessions can be taken from Islam excuse the methods that we may now shove down your involuntary throat? Would it help that countless Muslims logged on a website and told you that the lessons you learned under captivity could be used for good and you could just "forget the bad"? Com'n, open your eyes and see the elephant in the room!
What is so hard for some of you to understand here? It isn't whether or not for example you took a positive slant on the serentiy prayer that is at issue, it is that the seed was a coercive behavior modification cult that harmed countless children and the legacy of this slanted warped idea continues to harm children to this day. To deny the reality of that is to be stuck 30 years ago in some failed utopian fantasy somewhere in your mind.
Good luck letting THAT go....
Stripe:
Thanks for the clarification there, Greg.
I do wish everyone good luck in LETTING THAT GO. It's nice to see that it runs both ways.
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