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The Seed compared to Str8
starry-eyed pirate:
Thanks, that was what i wanted to know.
i have been readin' around on this board some, but there is a lot to look thru.
i'll give ya'll a break now, but i'll be back with more questions after a while. Thanks again and Peace.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-04 19:52:00, FueLaw wrote:
Based on what I have read on the Straight board Straight was way more brutal than the Seed. "
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That was my sense 20 odd years ago. But now I wonder. First, everybody from St. Pete branch reports that Straight like vibe at least started there. Second, I only assume what went on in group as I only ever saw the inside of the building during open meeting.
Also, we were all told how lucky we were where we were instead of [_any program_] The allegedly tougher program might be The Seed, another Straight location, Synanon or some other. As we from various programs have compared notes over the years, we've found that 1) they were all pretty much the same anyway and that 2) our impression of them has more to do w/ how well we complied internally than anything.
Me? I would never have described Sarasota as a daily horror show as some people seem to believe. And I've never really seen anyone say that it was. Just that some incidents were way ovre the top.
So I don't really know. Was the Seed really less brutal? Was there a huge difference between St. Pete and Lauderdale and Cleveland and the others?
Here's something I've always wondered about. I remember the Miami branch had a fair number of Marrialittos. WTF did they make of the program? Did any of them ever bust out w/ comparisons to Fidel's Patriot boarding schools? Or compare Art to a wannabe Che?
Nothing can be more contrary to religion and the clergy than reason and common sense.
--Francois Marie Arouet "Voltaire", French author and playwright
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FueLaw:
Ginger :
The Mariel boat lift was in 1980 which was about 6 1/2 years after Barker pulled out of Dade County. When I was there , the last few months of Dade, there were not many Cuban's or other Latinos in the program.
As far as the Seed being less brutal, based on what I have read on the Straight board, the accounts of you and many others, I think Straight was way worse. This would be based on the amount of physical and psycological abuse and the length of time spent in the program. Don't get me wrong I am not trying to praise the Seed I just think Straight was even more extreme.
Antigen:
I think so too.
I was born a heretic. I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
--Susan B. Anthony, U.S. reformer and suffragist
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JaLong:
Ginger, I went to the sight about people taking their names off of the graduated numbers from straight. I'll tell you Ginger, I knew straight was worse then the seed for the kids, ie- tv shows,news, newspapers, and then HRS ? closing them down because of abuse claims. Yet, reading what all those people wrote sent chills up my spine. Yes the seed was a rough one, but my God, straight was so much worse. We had hardly any abuse, except for 2 when I was in there (73) by parents whooping their sons. Yes, we were abused mentally, spiritually, and emotionally, but nothing like what you went through in sraight. I have often thought about suing Art Barker, but Betty and Mel need a rude awakening. Guess money has power, and since Bush is a whimp, he can't see the forest through the trees. I am glad you have that site too. It sure opened my eyes to the terror you all went through. I am so sorry you and others here had to suffer so much.
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