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The Seed compared to Str8
GregFL:
Ft Laud, the question "still beating your wife" is not a reference to you REALLY beating your wife nor is it a personal insult, but rather a call for you to understand the nature of your questions to Ginger that no matter how you answer, you are left looking bad. It is a well defined diversionary technique, not allowed in formal debate.
Antigen:
Pirate,
Well that you can read right here. A good many frequent posters to this forum spent 5 or more years as seed 'kids'. I think all the really, really long timers (like decades) were staff, but I could be mistaken.
And yes, Newton kept Lulu Courter on her phases from age 13 to 26 when she finally escaped and went into hiding. Here mother was one of those super program parents, I think she was on staff in some capacity. But Lulu didn't come out of hiding till someone else susscessfully sued Virgil. Can't remember the name of that gal offhand. But I could find it.
The Christian faith from the beginning, is sacrifice: the sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of spirit; it is at the same time subjection, a self-derision, and self-mutilation.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
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Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
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starry-eyed pirate:
were the kids who were in the seed for 5 years voluntary or involuntary ?? i would be completely insane if i had been kept in str8 for 5 years instead of the partial insanity that resulted from my 2 years of captivity.
i assume that durin' the time when the Seed was an involuntary program that there must have been misbehavers protestin' their captivity. How were these misbehavers dealt with ?? were these misbehavers subjected to the same sleep deprivation that misbehavers in str8 were subjected to(as in the 3hrs. of sleep per night deal) ?? thanx.
Antigen:
Yeah, my understanding is that, after they lost the NIDA funding and shut down all but the original Ft. Laud location, it was a lot more voluntary. I can't say from firsthand exp how they dealt w/ misbehavers in group. Sure wish someone who was there would speak up. But I do remember that the usual program was not more than a year or a little more up till at least `74 or so when my youngest brother and sister went in.
Writing about music is like dancing about architecture.
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starry-eyed pirate:
T'anks Ant. Can anyone who was actually in the Seed during its' time as an involuntary program answer my question about how the misbehavers were dealt with ?? Were they put on "consequences" which would include sleep deprivation, etc. ??
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