Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Wisdom Ranch School
jellybean:
I didn't come to a "hate: site as you call it on purpose. I was looking for some new avenues to help me find my own information. Trust me I haven't taken one of these folks advice without further checking it out on my own or anyone else's for that matter. i have been researching schools for about 2 months and I have called the parents and spoken to kids about many programs. at one point I asked someone, and I don't even remember what site it was, about the school. I couldn't find anything seriously adverse about Wisdom Ranch and that't why I posted here. Before I ever logged onto this site i found some attrocious things about many schools written by parents and children, the folks here referred me to those sites again. I have said this before, I do think there are good programs out there, but I have found bad things on most all of the those I've looked at in person and on line. One program had an ad for Diamond Ranch that was hiring some kind of staff for oversight or something that said no experience necessary, will train, What!?. I am smart enough to know that everything isn't Disneyland, except Disneyland and I want to know the people who have been unsatisfied and I can judge my self whether they were just complaining or it was abuse they underwent. It does happen. Doing research on my own has been intensive, but I wouldn't hire a consultant to do it for me. I do know that kickbacks are prevalent in every big business and that does not give them the ability to be objective, in my mind. Do educational consultants sign on for any liability for their referrals? i bet embedded in their contracts is a release from liability. I'll rely on my own judgement thanks. I did check out struggling teens long before i ever ended up on this site. There were some good stories, but I saw alot of parents struggling with the same issues with their children when they got home. This entire issue is so sad and it's epidemic.
All religions have been made by men.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-04 08:05:00, jellybean wrote:
"I didn't come to a "hate: site as you call it on purpose. I was looking for some new avenues to help me find my own information. Trust me I haven't taken one of these folks advice without further checking it out on my own or anyone else's for that matter. i have been researching schools for about 2 months and I have called the parents and spoken to kids about many programs. at one point I asked someone, and I don't even remember what site it was, about the school. I couldn't find anything seriously adverse about Wisdom Ranch and that't why I posted here. Before I ever logged onto this site i found some attrocious things about many schools written by parents and children, the folks here referred me to those sites again. I have said this before, I do think there are good programs out there, but I have found bad things on most all of the those I've looked at in person and on line. One program had an ad for Diamond Ranch that was hiring some kind of staff for oversight or something that said no experience necessary, will train, What!?. I am smart enough to know that everything isn't Disneyland, except Disneyland and I want to know the people who have been unsatisfied and I can judge my self whether they were just complaining or it was abuse they underwent. It does happen. Doing research on my own has been intensive, but I wouldn't hire a consultant to do it for me. I do know that kickbacks are prevalent in every big business and that does not give them the ability to be objective, in my mind. Do educational consultants sign on for any liability for their referrals? i bet embedded in their contracts is a release from liability. I'll rely on my own judgement thanks. I did check out struggling teens long before i ever ended up on this site. There were some good stories, but I saw alot of parents struggling with the same issues with their children when they got home. This entire issue is so sad and it's epidemic.
All religions have been made by men.
--Napoleon Bonaparte, French emperor
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Wow, good points.
In answer to your question, I am not sure about the liability of educational consultants but I do believe the majority of ed consultants are paid by parents, NOT the programs they refer to.
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Anonymous:
Jellybean: I'd stay away from anything associated with either WWASP or PURE. You can ask about specific programs on Struggling Teens and get private responses from parents with experiences there, good or bad.
Antigen:
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On 2005-09-04 08:05:00, jellybean wrote:
There were some good stories, but I saw alot of parents struggling with the same issues with their children when they got home. This entire issue is so sad and it's epidemic.
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See, that seems to be the best case in this industry; ineffective but relatively benign. In the worst cases, it's ineffective and harmful. I just don't think there's any better way to raise kids than by hand. Instead of looking for people who promise help w/ troubling teens, why not just think of some things that you think might be helpful. What about a family vacation? Hiking and camping are cheap and the fall colors will be hitting the NE soon. It's amazing sometimes what a little change of scene can do for just about anybody's mood and head.
I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-04 17:42:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-09-04 08:05:00, jellybean wrote:
There were some good stories, but I saw alot of parents struggling with the same issues with their children when they got home. This entire issue is so sad and it's epidemic.
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See, that seems to be the best case in this industry; ineffective but relatively benign. In the worst cases, it's ineffective and harmful. I just don't think there's any better way to raise kids than by hand. Instead of looking for people who promise help w/ troubling teens, why not just think of some things that you think might be helpful. What about a family vacation? Hiking and camping are cheap and the fall colors will be hitting the NE soon. It's amazing sometimes what a little change of scene can do for just about anybody's mood and head.
I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie
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This is good, sage advice Ginger. I often wonder about the kids in these behavior mod warehouses, boot camps, wilderness programs who given the chance to spend time with their parent(s) away from the "negative influence" of their peer group (not my words, this is the teen help industry's sales pitch) wouldn't agree the experience was more helpful to them then sitting in OP for hours, even days on end, with nothing better to do than wonder if their parents know (or even care) what's really going on in these places?
Parenting by program manuals is NOT the answer, it is a $50k crutch. A colossal rip off.
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