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simple response to John Underwood
Thom:
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On 2005-09-07 19:29:00, marshall wrote:
AA presents itself as necessary to life itself: "without AA we will perish." Any criticism of the Program or of AA is regarded as heresy that endangers the lives of AA'ers everywhere, and must be silenced by admonitions or mottos.
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Didn't John just recently accuse us all of killing off prospective Seedlings by discouraging them from giving it a shot? :rofl: "
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When I got into 'program' for real in '91, I hated the mottos! They were trying to break down the concepts of recovery into tiny sound bytes so that even someone with a self inflicted scrambled brain could absorb them. I didn't care for that because it took a while for 'them' to 'brainwash' me into believing that I was in possession of such a brain, right here on top of of my very own shoulders! Through MY lifestyle choices, I had allowed myself to become, at least for a time, simple minded. I finally 'came to believe' I needed the small chunks (mottos) so I decided I would keep coming back, keep it simple, eat more cotton, this too shall pass (I just hope that one is not about kidney stones!) it works if you work it, one day at a time, meetings make it (what?....coffee?), think, think, think, yadda, yadda, yadda....
I don't believe that John just recently accused me of killing off prospective Seedlings by discouraging them from giving it a shot, because I'm not a member of the 'USALL' cult. (if you don't know what that acronym stands for, you don't know what you're talking about) I have been programmed to encourage people to seek help, if it is called for. I think the term for this type of behavior is something like 'compassion', or 'empathy', if I remember my Seed jargon correctly.....I do remember 'symphony kills'...I avoid it like hip-hop.
Antigen:
And how is this `91 enlightenment different from, say, the one in the mid `80's or the one you and I discussed sometime around `95 or `96, which had just occured recently. Or that stunning inspiration around `80 or so that led you to believe you were doing me a huge favor by helping force me into Straight?
It'll never change, Thom. The last thing you ever were is simple minded. A simple minded person would automatically balk at the difference between suggestion and brute force. It takes a bit of complexity to hold sets of contradictory views to be equally true and valid.
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
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Thom:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-19 09:28:00, Antigen wrote:
"And how is this `91 enlightenment different from, say, the one in the mid `80's or the one you and I discussed sometime around `95 or `96, which had just occured recently. Or that stunning inspiration around `80 or so that led you to believe you were doing me a huge favor by helping force me into Straight?
It'll never change, Thom. The last thing you ever were is simple minded. A simple minded person would automatically balk at the difference between suggestion and brute force. It takes a bit of complexity to hold sets of contradictory views to be equally true and valid.
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Thank you? I'm not quite sure if you just said I'm hopelessly simple minded, or hopelessly complex.
Enlightenment is a process. If it were a single event, we would all be consumed by the overwhelming brilliance of the mind of God.
I have, even today been enlightened! I was not aware that I helped force you into Straight. I'm not sure if it is the result of a blackout on my part, or because it didn't happen.
Antigen:
There's a lot you don't remember.
Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.
--James Madison, U.S. President
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-20 08:54:00, Antigen wrote:
"There's a lot you don't remember"
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It is obviously a DELAYED REACTION from smoking marihuana decades before!
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