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katfish:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-01 20:11:00, kerryberry420 wrote:
everything about mms is different now, and that was my whole point in starting all this, i thought the way they were running it was not really woking and apparently they realzied that and changed it. so, i still think there was A LOT they could have done better in my time there, but now i really think they have a good program going and i will stand behind it 100%.
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I just got to thinking about this and found myself feeling quite angry. I the MMS founders really wanted to take responsibility for the bad, and in some instances abusive (or, if that's too strong word for some- harmful) program MMS was, then why on earth haven't people who were harmed been contacted- perhaps an apology is in order. It appears, then, we were guinea pigs precisely b/c the techniques used are not widely accepted among mental health pros and implemented anyway, despite the lack of peer review and studies deemed necessary to legitimize certain methods. So, while I am awfully glad to here that it is possible there are safeguards in place, I am furious that no real accountability has been taken.
I am also equally furious that MMS opposes regulation that would serve to hold them accountable- cleary, if not now, at one point they needed to be and were not. As a result many of us suffered uneccesarily and did not receive the treatment we so desperately needed. Many of us, I, for instance, entered MMS entirely voluntarily (and suicidal) hoping to receive the treatment I knew I needed. The pysiological stressors proved to much for me and I left MMS a shell of my former self (what was present of my former self) and I, for one, would like some true responsibility be taken for that damage.
MMS preached accoutability, yet where why is it the institution itself, John, Colleen and Gary- even Mike and Deb, are unable or unwilling to own the damage they caused myself and many others. I am appalled and truely disgusted by them in this regard.
So Kerry, I appreciate the points you are trying to make, but I have no respect for John or any of the rest of them. I think they are cowardly in so many regards, namely this one. I think they have made their 'wealth' after damaging many girls needlsy because they presumed themselves professionals b/c the state of Montana doesn't require anyone that runs these school and advertises the way MMS does to have any degree. As we all know, Gary had some type of previous education, but we also all know that Gary did not determine the path of MMS and, despite being uncomfortable with the harsh treatment, he repeatedly allowed things to continue. As someone with some type of education I especially am disturbed by that point. Gary had an obligation, yet the way in which things were insitutionally sanctioned, there was a sense of acceptability in their use despite the outrageousness of the methods being accepted by the mental health community at large.
I am repulsed and disgusted by Mission Mountain School it's almost impossible to contain myself. Fortunately, this passion and drive has led me to find what may turn out to be, in part, my furture life's work- and, I suppose, in that respect, I am indeed grateful for MMS and find that whatever doesn't kill you can possibly make you stronger (after an initial period of 'weakness' through which I narrowly escaped.
kat[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2005-09-03 06:34 ]
kerryberry420:
how dare you say I am spamming, i started this dicussion and I have a right to say what I think, you antigen did not go to mission mountain, don't know anyone that went there except from this site and are just jumping on the lets fuck with mms bandwagon. in my opinion you are all making up lies and accusations that have little to no basis in reality, and hurting people in the process, you can't just accuse people of things they did not do, it affects peoples lives in really bad ways. antigen, chill out i know you are the person that owns this site, which for the most part seems just like a place to get mad at programs and talk shit about them, maybe you got sent to one i don't know but don't say things about people and places you don't even know about.
kerryberry420:
And the point I am trying to make is that you guys were there years ago, when I was or even befrore, and like mroe than half of the people on this site were not even there at all, so before you guys keep going on about "abuse" and shit like that get your facts straight. yeah, it sucked get over it, we are adults. and antigen, stop pulling my posts off if i say the same thing on a few topics it is because i want people to read it, i bet if i was saying bad things about mms or on your side you wouldn't call it spamming.
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-11 10:28:00, kerryberry420 wrote:
"how dare you say I am spamming, i started this dicussion and I have a right to say what I think, you antigen did not go to mission mountain, don't know anyone that went there except from this site and are just jumping on the lets fuck with mms bandwagon. in my opinion you are all making up lies and accusations that have little to no basis in reality, and hurting people in the process, you can't just accuse people of things they did not do, it affects peoples lives in really bad ways. antigen, chill out i know you are the person that owns this site, which for the most part seems just like a place to get mad at programs and talk shit about them, maybe you got sent to one i don't know but don't say things about people and places you don't even know about."
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So you're saying that everyone else who had a different experience from yours, even though you have no basis to draw any conclusion, is lying about it?
Why do you think so many people have spoken about similar abuses at MMS? What makes them less credible than you?
You clearly say that people were there before you were (meaning you were not there when they were), but yet you go on to completely discount their experience as if you were there and had evidence to the contrary. Is that just a little bit presumptuous? Can you see how statements like this can erode your own credibility?
How are you to be believed when you say these things never happened, but you're taking it on faith (you were not even there) and not observation? You certainly aren't lending credence to your own experience, as you may just be making that up as well, considering you are making up conclusions about other people's experiences.
Now, I'm not saying you ARE making up anything about your personal experience, I'm simply saying that your statements would take on more gravity if you were entirely honest, including saying "I wasn't there when you were, so I can't comment intelligently about your experience, but mine was like this..."
Nonconformistlaw:
Hey KerryBerry...all the new changes you spoke about...regarding the structure...phases, and what each phase is supposed to be about....sounds to me like they copied straight's model, almost to the tee (I was in straight)....So please, before you support these changes, please do your homework on what straight used to be, good and bad, and how other programs are have and are still using the same model....And check into how "happy" we supposedly were back then (they said I was "Happy"...that my dear was a very brainwashed programmed child...the PTSD and various disorders show up later)...If you do enough checking...you will see some alarming similarities. I see some just from your post. I wasnt in MMS so I cant comment specifically on it...and wont draw a conclusion.....but, your post about the changes (straight model) scares the shit out of me based on MY incarceration in straight. Check for yourself......
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