Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
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kerryberry420:
wow, again i would like to say how unbeleivably out of control has gotten. i just went to the mms reunion, and i was the one who started all this. the reunion was a lot of fun, it was great to see all my friends, and just so everyone knows, they have chnaged everything about the school, that is why i went i wanted to see if had changed, and it has. everything about mms is different now, and that was my whole point in starting all this, i thought the way they were running it was not really woking and apparently they realzied that and changed it. there are now pahses there 1-4, when you gety there you are on phase 1 and then you do different assignments and stuff to get through the phases. on phase 2 you can have your own clothes and pictures and stuff form home, on phase 3 you get to start like venturing into town, and on phase 4 you get to like go to movies and dances and stuff in the community unsupervised to start to reintegate yourself into real life. they have an actual structure there now, one girl even had a nose ring. they were reading their own books, wearing normal clothes and seemed really happy. they had no reason to lie to us, staff weren't like supervising us talking to them, a lot of them really liked it there, and i oculd tell they were not bull shitting. so, i still think there was A LOT they could have done better in my time there, but now i really think they have a good program going and i will stand behind it 100%. (and no i was not brainwashed or anything, in fact i did not talk to john, colleen, or any staff) so in conclusion stop making accusations without the facts. now i know the facts and i feel really stupid for starting this.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-01 20:11:00, kerryberry420 wrote:
"wow, again
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and again and again and again.....
Do you always say everything half a dozen times? Please quit SPAMMING!
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.
--Julius Caesar
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Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-09-01 20:32:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-09-01 20:11:00, kerryberry420 wrote:
"wow, again
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and again and again and again.....
Do you always say everything half a dozen times? Please quit SPAMMING!
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.
--Julius Caesar
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Last time I checked stating an opinon or an experience was not spamming. I have seen other people on here complain about the same thing over and over again as well.
Melissa.
katfish:
i hope that what you are saying kerry is true- but regardless this is not true for all programs and I would wonder if the coercive element, such as forced labor, excessive exercize, students shadowing other students, outside communication heavily monitored, etc are not still firmly intact. I have spokes to student who have graduated as late as 2003 and seemed to describe similar feelings about the program as you, Kerry, once talked about.
If MMS is actually not harming any girls anymore, then great, (sarcastically) how thoughtful of John to adjust for the sake of vulnerable girls, however they should stop trying to oppose regulation then- children are intitled to the same rights as those in juvi (not that those are necessarily implemented)- but at least safegaurds are in place, theoretically. John's continuous funneling of money to lobby politicians and prevent regulation indicates to me he does not want to be held accountable, despite changes that you present as substantial and as those that would somehow legitimate the methods. Places may change, but, with all do respect, Kerry you were there for a day and while I would take your opinion into account, it would be minimal at best given that extreme limitation. I would like to hear from students there now. I know one girl who is there now was displaying the same regressive child-like behaviors that I found were induced while I was at MMS- I fear greatly that, given her display, it is still at it's core MMS with superficial changes. While I can appreciate the external freedom the kids are given, I question and doubt highly the internal freedom. IT was the internal coercion, fear-based, that makes me very uneasy. Furthermore, I am unsure how the level system is any more useful an indicator that a program is not damaging. There are plenty of programs that have been documented to have been abusive and use the level system... So, i guess I'm asking, Kerry, what point are you trying to make there?
kat
katfish:
incidentally, out of control in what way, kerry?
This was all bound to reach the surface as some point and it seems pretty subdued these days, that is- in no way 'out of control'
If you are refering to the progression from casual or heated chatting among alumni to the galvanizing of mental health professionals in dealing with this issue- well, I would think it's exciting to have mental health professionals willing to look at these schools, listen to kids speak and address the fallible nature of an unregulated industry- and attempt to study this issue- - I think it's going to be a fun topic to watch unfold, with a great deal of revelation.
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