Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
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Anonymous:
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Yes there is an overall experience. I don't look back at my life and childhood and even now...and pick out those situations i hated the most or were the worst
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betsy, lets be honest, everyone i know thought you were a really cruel person at mms and sounds like not much has changes. maybe u should examine your past because i can only imagine it has been a major conrubuting factor to how unempathetic, how ununderstanding and how 'bitchy' you can be now
--- Quote --- I don't define myself with those situations. I don't have mean, cruel feelings for my parents cause they spanked me to many time....etc.etc.
And now for some reason....lots of people encluding yourself anon...seem to want to define them selves by their experince at mms.
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how do you think this is the case? what are u talking about. no one is that one demensional, i dont care how obsessed a person is on a topic. i think if anyone definines themselves by their experience of mms its u simple because u are so narrow in your view of the school and adamentyl opposed to seeing from other side. others seem at least willing to concede to the possibility that mms is helpful to some girls and all the while admit that it was not the case for them
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I persoanlly would not like to come across your path or have to work iwth you in a job....its like a ticking time bomb. who knows what youd get upset at? At work, do you like everything?? does everything go the way you want it?? School? they same....But do we sit here and write back and forth about stiuations at work where people were rude or at shool where your teacher was mean?? NO we don't cuase its life....thats how it is....
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this doesn't even make any sense, it's comparing apples and oranges. besty, take logic 101 before u speak because every analogy u make is ABSURD! shit, sure, bad things happen in life, that doesnt make it right, and certainly doesn't mean that you should lay down and take it. Sometimes in life, of course, you just need to count your loses and think strategically- power and the leverage u have (or dont'have) can't be ignored, but it all needs to be considered in terms of proportionality. Certain things are just so wrong that they can't be ignored. You need to pick your battles wisely. I would say that this, of all battles, is a pretty good one to pick. And yes, maybe certain instances at work or in school, if they are rude, are worth addressing. You do understand, of course, that the main problem with MMS was likely not exactly that a few of the staff were simple rude every once in a while, right. Maybe you are not getting it because you seem to be missing the whole point- evn though its hard to see how because its been broken down for u like a ZILLION times into tiny bite sizes peices for u to understand. I wonder if there is not some other problem that makes it impossible 4 u to understand ?
And, christ, ticking time bombs happen when people DONT speak up and sit on their grievances until one day they explode, NOT when they are open about and able to vent.
I mean, damn, exactly what has to go wrong in someones life, according to you, that would make it ok to address it? and when does addressing , according to you, turn into a thing that defines a person and how does that turn into, in your mind, the single defining thing in a persons life?
As I see it, we ARE our past. Have you read 100 years of solitude?? Without our memory and past we have NO IDENTITY!
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Anonymous:
DAMN.....ATTITUIDE!!! Hate to post on here anymore after this one anon....
Everyone has there opinions. Go back and check Betsy's post...she doesn't seem one sided to me.
At one point she seems confused, and says she is.
Calm down and don't take to so personally. If anything youre the one being 'bitchy'. She didn't attack you...so why attack her??? Isn't it okay we all have our own views??
I know her now and shes far from what she was at MMS. Like everyone, she has her bad days...........
seems you had a bad day...no???
Anonymous:
Why thank you Anon...appreciate the support.
"betsy, lets be honest, everyone i know thought you were a really cruel person at mms and sounds like not much has changes. maybe u should examine your past because i can only imagine it has been a major conrubuting factor to how unempathetic, how ununderstanding and how 'bitchy' you can be now"
HAHA!!! WOW, I find humor in your cruelness and a few names pop in my head of who this could be, seems you should take your own advice, anon.. because if you really knew me, you would know this is not the case. actually get told im one of the nicest people, others have met....see people change!.....
Plus don't take things so personal....just writing my opinion as you do, I don't take it to heart or as being mean....why do you???
"unempathetic, how ununderstanding"
Go back and read some of my past posts and then rewrite this statement....you might be suprised. .
"how do you think this is the case? what are u talking about. no one is that one demensional, i dont care how obsessed a person is on a topic. i think if anyone definines themselves by their experience of mms its u simple because u are so narrow in your view of the school and adamentyl opposed to seeing from other side. others seem at least willing to concede to the possibility that mms is helpful to some girls and all the while admit that it was not the case for them "
Are you new to this forum??? Did you just start reading it??? Take a deep breath, and go back and reread what i have written....
I do see it from both sides...im just more passionate about one side. You are passionate about saying the school was okay but overall really bad, Me, I take the side that, the school Great and yeah there were TIMES it was bad. REREAD
"this doesn't even make any sense, it's comparing apples and oranges. besty, take logic 101 before u speak because every analogy u make is ABSURD! shit, sure,"
See how funny things sound when they are taken out of context and anaylized???
I do find it interesting that you feel the need to talk to me in a belittling way,.....do you feel better now???
If you feel like talking down to me, and sounding so superior why not post your name??? Wouldn't that bring you the power your looking for?
If this is who i think it is, you were just as 'bitchy' as i was at MMS. I was just outright...you were more passive, but people were actually scared of you,...so sad,..........so sad. Seems not much has changed.
Betsy
Anonymous:
One more thing,;
"I mean, damn, exactly what has to go wrong in someones life, according to you, that would make it ok to address it?"
Go back and read the post of my past...living with my parents, yes and issue to be addressed. Being raped...yes, another issue to be addressed...
Betsy
katfish:
i've never read 100 years of solitude, but i agree that your past does make up who you are. I don't know if anyone here would say that their identity is only based on MMS experience.
I have seen and heard changes in Betsy, even if she doesn't agree, i think she has really accomplished a lot given what she has had to go through, so the personal attacks are, in themselves a low blow in my opinion. I have great deal of ampathy b/c i know what she has been through. I also think that (I hope b this does not offend you) Besty went to MMS at 13 (right?). can you imagine being at MMs at 13?? Can you imagine how hard that would be? And no one knows what she went through prior to that, but from what I understand it was pretty messed up and MMS was better. I guess, my point is, that I think that you, B, have so few things to really hold on to in your life. Maybe MMS gave you meaning in a way that someone like me, can't understand b/c not only did I feel MMS was harmful, but I didn't feel I could ever feel safe enough to actually deal with the actual reasons that brought me there. Maybe MMS gave you the words and that was helpful- as you pointed out. I too was given words, but they were empty b/c the lack of substance of my experience.
I actually do understand the points trying to be made though, becuase I too would like to understand why it is assumed that being critical of the school from the general to the specific and would like to better understand the meaning of what Betsy, you, have explained because I know that I, for one, feel that I am defined by so many other things, including, but not limited to, my MMS experience.
I would also like to understand why, Betsy, you say things like going to the reunion would make someone healthier. I don't understand why MMS defines the standard. To me they were the epitome of unhealthy. I guess, really I wonder how you find that the fear was at all a helpful thing.
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