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Against My Better Judgement
SMiamiPimp:
Ginger,
Were you in the Seed state road 84 Ft Lauderdale the summer of 72 or 74 and were you on staff then?
If yes, I will start trying to recall female staff members.
"Well, I'm of the opinion that AA can be and often is quite the high demand, destructive cult."
Why a destructive cult? Thanks!
Antigen:
No, different Ginger entirely. I was 6 in `71 when my older brothers went in.
I think AA can be a destructive cult because I've just run into enough devout AAers who are entirely too wrapped up in it. Then there are the court rulings which consistently define AA as a religion for the purposes of the First Amendment. And the rather clanish attack response that almost always meets any questioning or criticizm of AA.
Wait for it.....
At present there is not a single credible established religion in the world.
--George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright
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SMiamiPimp:
I ran this by a female friend who's daughter went through a drug problem and ran some of the contents of the website by her to get her response.
In particular in regards to what I viewed as distorions or shortfalls of what the Seed provided.
Her repsonse was, dealing with a adolecent on drugs was the biggest nightmare of her life, that it made her crazy. Part the the insanity was a desparation that led her to feel any means were justified to deal with the problem. That she was desparate for results, and her only criteria became does it have a chance of working.
The message was, go easy and wieght that into the postmortem analysis......
SMiamiPimp:
There are plenty of crazy unbalanced AAers. No doublt about that.
I like the principles as per the literature, while the personalities are very diverse with many unbalanced and plenty of dual diagnosis in the group. Being an adult not under coersion also definitely makes things easier.
Antigen:
Yeah, been there. I was never so worried about my daughter's drug use as I was about her addiction to a psychotic abusive slightly older boy. But I have to say that episode of my life was probably the most trying, easily one of the most diffuclut and painful and certainly the most educational so far. God is a comedian, smart assed mother fucker! LOL
I really, truely understand why some parents are such easy marks for these hucksters. And I understand very well that the hucksters in question are nearly always their own biggest suckers. If I hadn't been through it from the teenaged girl's pov, I don't know what I might have done differently. I just thank God that I did know better.
" That she was desparate for results, and her only criteria became does it have a chance of working. "
What I realized is that our best hope, the most reliable, time tested means of dealing w/ a wreckless kid is to just never let anyone or any thing in this world turn you against them. Whether you strong arm them into a program or you let them graze for their own organic trauma in the wild, that really is the "secret ingredient" to this new wave of patent medicine. Either they sink or swim, but either way, you and the kid are better off if you're still friends when and if the kid does ever decide that maybe you're not wrong about everything.
A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another; shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement
Thomas Jefferson
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