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BRAT CAMP TEEN ARRESTED
Anonymous:
The Facts? You want to debate facts with parents? Since when?
Name calling? You are the initiators of all that. Yes, some of us stooped to your level. I, for one, apologize for doing so. I see no reason to disclose my son's program after the senseless posting of another parent's personal information. Why would I put myself in the same position? I disagreed with some aspects of my son's program. In fact, despite your opinion, many of the parents repeatedly question what is going on at the programs. I'm sure you know from all your research that Karen's son left his program early after some real confrontations between the parents and the school. You didn't bother to mention this when you were attacking her. My son was at the same program and also left early by his choice (he was 18. No program is perfect, but that doesn't mean they are abusive or out only to make money.
Ben's Dad
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NEWS BULLETIN: Whooter, the person who sent you to this link, WORKS FOR ASPEN EDUCATION. See below quote from Whooter admitting his "fiduciary duty" to Aspen Education. Whooter is an industry troll and not "just a regular parent" as he would try to make people believe.
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--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---When is this supposed to take place?
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Well the announcement takes place after the lawyers sign off on the deal, but they usually wait until the transfer is ready to take place.
The legal transfer typically takes place at the beginning of the new quarter (or fiscal year).
So based on this I would expect the announcement would come at anytime and the transfer could occur on Tuesday October 1, 2007 or early January 2008.
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How is it that you are in a position to have knowledge about the acquisition of HLA?
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I apologize for being vague, I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area and can only comment on information which is first made public by either party involved, this could be misconstrued as Tipping
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***Now that is impressive,--I always thought of Dysfunction as a computer geek with no particular skills aside from the technical ones: but he spelled "ad hominem" correctly (not "ad hominum" which is wrong and is in the way most people spell it)***
Well, thanks for the, uh, compliment... :roll:
If you did take any amount of time to read what I have written in the past, you would have seen that I am an "IT guy" yes, but also an MSW and MBA.
I worked as a therapist in an RTC (Daytop Village) and an intake counselor at a "TBS" (there really is no such thing, they're "BMW's"-behavior modification warehouses) (Hidden Lake Academy), so I know a bit about how these places operate and exactly what their priorities are.
Now, if you require troubleshooting for your child or your internet connection, please feel free to drop me a line for some down-to-earth advice about either one...
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"Compassion is the basis of morality"
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-08-05 09:00 ]
Troll Control:
I would be happy to debate you at any time over the "therapeutic value" of any of these programs.
Your post shows, once again, that you are not interested in debating. If not, what are you doing here? Just reading for fun?
Let's talk about the Academy at Ivy Ridge, shall we, "Ben's Dad"?
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"Compassion is the basis of morality"
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-08-05 09:18 ]
Anonymous:
I don't know anything about Ivy Ridge. That is not where my son was.
The problems I see with the TBS programs (as opposed to wilderness are these:
1. Hard to retain good therapists because of the remote location of most of the schools. The therapists are frequently young with young families (or single) and tire of the life-style).
2. Hard to retain good academic teachers- same reasons plus it is a year-round job which takes away one of the huge perks of being a teacher in the first place. Also, the academics are very secondary at most of these places, although academics were stressed more at my son's program.
3. Financial- My son's program had a lot of money behind it, which is why it is successful. Many of the programs do not, and simply go broke.
4. Inflexibility- There is an attitude of there being only one way to do things. It is hard for the leadership of the schools to be flexible enough to make exceptions for special needs or adjust the program. Things are ruled by an iron grip.
5. Staffing- It is the junior staff who have the most interaction with the kids. At my son's program the junior staff were great. However, their opinion was not given the weight it deserved and it was the top dogs, who had less interaction with the kids, who made the important decisions regarding a kid.
6. Peer relations- It really bothered my son that there seemed to be an incentive to turn on other kids in the group sessions to make it look like you were really buying in.
These are just a few comments.
Ben's Dad
Troll Control:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-05 09:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know anything about Ivy Ridge. That is not where my son was.
The problems I see with the TBS programs (as opposed to wilderness are these:
1. Hard to retain good therapists because of the remote location of most of the schools. The therapists are frequently young with young families (or single) and tire of the life-style).
2. Hard to retain good academic teachers- same reasons plus it is a year-round job which takes away one of the huge perks of being a teacher in the first place. Also, the academics are very secondary at most of these places, although academics were stressed more at my son's program.
3. Financial- My son's program had a lot of money behind it, which is why it is successful. Many of the programs do not, and simply go broke.
4. Inflexibility- There is an attitude of there being only one way to do things. It is hard for the leadership of the schools to be flexible enough to make exceptions for special needs or adjust the program. Things are ruled by an iron grip.
5. Staffing- It is the junior staff who have the most interaction with the kids. At my son's program the junior staff were great. However, their opinion was not given the weight it deserved and it was the top dogs, who had less interaction with the kids, who made the important decisions regarding a kid.
6. Peer relations- It really bothered my son that there seemed to be an incentive to turn on other kids in the group sessions to make it look like you were really buying in.
These are just a few comments.
Ben's Dad"
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OK, this gives us something to go on, Ben's Dad...
I think the points you made here are valid. What I don't understand is how you think any of your points do not apply to wilderness programs (save for the academic area).
1. In wilderness programs, there is no regular contact with a REAL (by this I mean licensed, credentialed) therapist. Kids may get one "session" a week from a quack-job, most of the time by telephone.
The reason that there are not reputable therapists working with these programs is that the programs themselves violate ethical patient care standards. That's why good therapists don't work there, not because of the "remote" locations.
2. Does not apply.
3. Financial success does not equate to therapeutic value. I worked at perhaps the most expensive and "in vogue" TBS that makes millions of dollars per year, but the program is of little or no therpeutic value to its clients.
In fact, it has been shown by countless studies that the "experiential" treatment modality is counterproductive to fostering either emotional growth or "mental health."
4. Both residential and wilderness programs use "one-size-fits-all" treatment methods. For example, a young girl with an eating disorder is in the same program groups as a young boy with an arson fetish. Just have a look at any "Brat Camp" episode and you'll see this.
The location where the "treatment" is administered makes no difference. The "treatment plans" are the same (although most wilderness and TBS programs don't offer actual treatment plans because they then would be required to be overseen by the state and they vehemently resist any regulation whatsoever, so your kid most likely never had a treatment plan anyway).
5. "Junior Staff" are inexperienced, usually uncredentialed workers at TBS's. At wilderness programs, they are almost invariably untrained and uncredentialed and they have primary responsibility for the kids. Who would want that?
6. Encouraging kids to "rat" is one way of learning things when your staff is unable or untrained to see and evaluate what is actually going on. It is also a key factor in all BM programs, as it reinforces rigid adherance to the rules through fear of consequences.
Don't you understand that these kids only comply with program dogma because it will go REALLY bad for them if they don't? Your son evidently complied only up until the exact moment in time at which he could no longer be legally controlled by you and the program. Compliance to program rules in no way relates to "progress" with one's "issues." It only means the kid is smart enough to not "blow up his own spot."
Thanks for being kind in your post and for getting to some real information about these programs. Evidently, we don't see eye-to-eye on this subject, but at the very least, you get FIRST-HAND observations from me, not filtered through someone looking to make a buck off you...
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