Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
The official solo day episode thread.
Nihilanthic:
Powerful? They were regurgitating their indoctrination and conforming ENTHUSIASTICALLY to get the hell out of the program, or becuase they were broken and really believed in it.
Again, quit drawing attention away from what we're saying and repeating "wow, look how effective it is"
Thast like saying "hey, ignore how evil the Nazis are, just concentrate on how good it is that they were sooo effective until they invaded Russia!"
May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late.
George Washington (Diary)
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Anonymous:
you really are having trouble admitting that Sagewalk is helping some of these kids. any positive outcomes and you howl BRAINWASHED. the problem is that what they are learning is hard to retain if they get back into their old lives. that's why they go to boarding school so they dont slip back
Nihilanthic:
When what they do is brainwashing to a "T", what the flying fuck do you expect me to say?
The whole paradigm is stress them until they break and program in whatever dogma you want them do.
You call it growth. I see it for what it is BY DEFINITION, regression. Sure, theyre programming in be a good kid, bla bla bla. They also program in "THE PROGRAM IS ALWAYS RIGHT" and "GET MORE KIDS IN IT".
Look, tell me this - if they were being beaten within an inch of their life directly to fix them while the beaters chanted all this new-agey fell good bullshit and "DO YOUR SCHOOL WORK" and "RESPECT YOUR PARENTS" to fix them, would you approve of it just becuase of the effect at the end?
THE ENDS DO NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS*. Plus the brainwashing will wear the fuck off, granted they didnt just pretend through the program to get out.
* Thanks to the anon for pointing out my grammatical mistake :wave:
G: "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
EB: "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4
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[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-08-04 09:10 ]
Anonymous:
I came across this thread out of Google when I was searching around for more Brat Camp articles and was curious to read what critics had to say.
I'm disappointed that most criticism, and even the praise (which is blind at times) was rather weak. The most frequent author on this thread appears to be some person named Nihilistic, who just seems really negative and full of spitfire. Your arguments would sound stronger if you were less emotional and added more substantial evidence and raised good questions for measure. Otherwise, at best, you're just ranting.
I'm not trying to attack you, but if you're on this board typing your bloody finger tips off, you should present yourself as a critical thinker so that people actually WANT to read what you have to say.
Cheers
Anonymous:
wilderness is the jump-start to the therapeutic process. much more work is needed after the wilderness program which is why most of the kids (really all) need to go on to a residential school with therapy. It has taken years for these kids and families to get where they are. At least at wilderness they begin to realize their own role in where they are and how their thinking is flawed. This is what Nihil says is brainwashing. The kids aren't being beaten, but it does take drastic measures to move them off of where they have been for many years.
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