Not sure who you think I am. But alright...I'll bite:
Let's say for a minute that I don't personally know anyone. but I do know from having read ALL the posts on here that none of the people that I have been discussing have developed any sort of final action against Straight Incorporated.
Let's pretend for a second that not one postor on here has not vascillated from truth to fiction, including myself as you say, and that none of this shit ever happened. Let's pretend that Straight was not what it was, that it was NOT the icon that we know it as today. It Is, you know, the icon of all child abuse concentrated, at least to you and I most likely.
Like concentrated, not watered down, orange juice that is all the time too hard to drink, very sour. So let's say that I AM being delusional, I agree with you for the moment.
Let's say I didn't read the posts about Bradbury and Wes and Sherman (and in some ways Monroe) did NOT lie about dates and events. Let's say that I haven't read all posts where some people have claimed one important fact, and then not claimed otherwise. You already know of several of these posts, just like me, and may be guilty of a few yourself. I never did read any of those, let's pretend.
Take all that away, but for now DO NOT take away all the hard work you claim some of these survivors have done. We'll look at that in just a second. Read on only if you agree with all of the above, if not then stop reading here and know I wish for you the good of all fuckness.
And so, we're still left with child abuse. That is what we're left with. No matter where it is, its going to spring up in the wrong place and under some hidden law that prevents mass child poking and prodding from being cultized, it will be legal until headlines start to speak about it. Happens in churches every day, happens in child daycare.
But for now, none of any straight survivors were every in Straight. Instead one of you was in a Catholic Church, another of you got abused in a mix up online, you met with some predator and it turned nasty. The rest were abused randomly, take your pick, in other places.
The only common thread that you DID have, it no longer exists for us here. That common thread - that the same incidents happened to everyone at Straight - suddenly has never happened.
But somehow you have still gotten together to discuss this non iconistic challenge of child abuse. It is still prevalent right now. And as someone said it before...this is a much bigger picture than just nationally accredited child hurting. It's not about a former nationalized syndicate for fucking your child anymore. Its merely about the prevention of and the intervention of child molesting and child abuse. That's it.
Alright. So for the moment there is no Icon of Straight. There is no icon right now of delusional therapy, no icon of meanseeded therapy and behaviour modification therapies, none of that from the Republican party. There is no insulting between us right now either because we have agreed, if you have read this far, that Straight and ALL its doings never existed - except for the hard work that is in question here.
To wrap all this up; I am, you are, we are still left with child abuse. And for all these people you say I don't know personally, which they don't know me just like I don't know them by your rule; I am looking at them from a very non personal agenda. I could care less in fact that they have spent wads of cash to strike out at their trespassors. There are non profit organizations that don't spend a dime. More on that in a minute.
What, and this is my whole point, are we left with? Well we didn't deduct two things from the thought of my being delusional here, nor did I ask you to do away with the actions these survivors did. We are left with the hard work, we are left with the meeting and agreements that something should be done about child abuse (even perhaps in institutions that have arisen, though not named Straight Inc.), and we are left with the child abuse as a factor that must be dealt with.
Have the efforts that all of the survivors, that I have, until this post, intentionally fucked with and slandered really done anything.
The efforts in question have nothing to do with Straight. I got hold of one of the information packets, as provided by a local newsstation in St. Petersburg, that tells of a survivors convention. You, if you, read it you would see what a wonderfully organized piece of material these documents are. I think they had alot of speakers there, speakers and testimonials against child abuse. They were offering scholarships or whatnot. I imagine alot of people got in for free. The same newscaster who did the story, but it did not air because of more important stories, told me that the advocates, survivors, against child abuse - were taking names and information.
The intention of the convention was to organize, much the same way I.S.A.C, a promptu band of people, advocates, who would be able to counsel and see children when they are at a high risk of being abused.
Mind you, nothing ever came of this information and noone actually ever did help to pass legislation on child advocacy in institutions as any result of these conventions. Hey, serious kudos to whoever footed the bill for those, no doubt there.
Bit by tiny bit the world may or may not become aware of prevalent issues in our world like child abuse, but there are other statistics that support children not being abused in good homes don't trust churches and daycare centers. These people are not aware of child abuse. Their families are somehow more aware?
So, we have child abuse, we have the hard work, and we have the agreement that child abuse is an issue.
The hard work no longer is valid simply because:
1. Nothing has come, substantially, of the work done. You can calculate that work however you like. For example, say ten years of hard work since the 70s or 90s or whenever. If no legislation is eventually passed then those works are rendered nil and deserve no credit if the intention is not realized in all that time.
2. Secondly, regarding the work done, you've got a bunch of abuse victims taking, like seagulls, whatever kudos they can get. "I closed that building by myself, I made his bankruptcy reopen all by myself". These exxagerated claims, by your words and rule, sound VERY delusional. But for now there is still no delusional, we are pretending that I have not read anything about Straight Inc. for right now, or its doings @ everything.
Now, we still have the child abuse, and the agreement that it is an issue to be handled severely with conventions and gatherings and protests and the like.
But because none of the work done has provided any meaningful relationship to the victim from their attackers, meaning that no victim as yet has had any real and true passing of significant legislation or the finding of pure guilt resulting in jail time to any of the attackers, then not even the issue is clear anymore. It would be like working toward a common goal and then not getting paid at the end of the week, or getting fired suddenly for no cause whatsoever. The intention was not clear enough, the agreements that child abuse is a present and life threatening issue is not clear enough to have one person give their life for. There are very few who do this. That is, agree with themself or with others that child abuse is a LIFE THREATENING issue. Those who do, they wind up actually opening non profit organizations, they really do get involved. It is never with their own money. They let the world in, anonymous or not without the need for information. The mayor stops in to their office of organization, other non profits get involved and begin rapport with each other. No money is spent from the pocket of the creator who is wise in decisions on community issues like child abuse. Therefore, the agreement that child abuse is no longer an issue that is resolved until IT IS resolved, it becomes merely controversy. And controversy is a realm of talk and conversation that does little but pass time. I am sure you will agree. Controversy breeds humor in an obtuse way when discussing controversial issues. Words and verbal assaults are bound to find their way in to a conversation, or any communication, when an intention is not clear. "You are delusional." "He said, she said." "They did this." "You are that." It becomes a situation where the empty victim who has no apparent motivation will take whatever compliment or deed as their very own. Gossip is part of all this. Perhaps some of the workers who used to agree were abused themselves, raped, or some other horrid thing that prevents them from actualizing and acting upon one unified goal. This is usually seen in a room full of neurotics and otherwise crazy, abused people. Nothing gets done because one agreement is never reached...or if is acted upon....nothing is seen to through fruition. People get tired. There is a political term for this, about how the mind has a hard time really keep a full visual on the goal, so the personal intent is changed and so is the final goal. Either way, nothing is ever agree upon now about the child abuse because not enough people care, or not enough wise decisions have been made.
Since the agreement that child abuse is no longer anything we can hold on to, then we are only left with the actual child abuse. But there wasn't any person out of the ones we have named, who claim superior tactics who actually and solely did work on their own beyond, getting lucky in the timing of a phone call that would have proved nothing by itself or a document trace or what have you; who could actually trace a proposed agreement on a plan of action and seen its way to the end. How many people want fame and are willing to exxagerate a story just to get one second of T.V. time, how many people will lie just to be heard? How many children will tell you that they were raped, beaten, starved, defecated on ...just to get attention/ Hey, its not an issue really. Its sad enough, but not sad enough to stop and think about what you are doing and make a dent in the progress to rape and killing of children. Abuse is not a gateway action? Child abuse does not exist but only in the mind of the communicator who does little more than spend money, waive a flag for attention, and takes claims on things they didn't really do or act upon in the overall scheme of things. Again, child abuse becomes mere controversy when not fully agreed upon.
So, lets go back and recap all this shit, and recap before you decide to write this off and start to judge me again with your hoodwinking and banter about delusion.
There is no child abuse because there were no agreements fulfilled or legislation passed as a result of any work regarding 'child abuse'. There is no 'hard work' beyond useless, thoughtless, and deceit filled words and money with a need for attention, because what was done did not include a full gameplan perhaps other than revenge.
Now let's say that the posts, Straight Incorporated, and my delusion of conspiracy or w/e do actually exist. They exist on top of the situation I have just described. Let's say that the backbiting, the strange method of communicating with other survivors, and the ways in which we offer up information through stories about child abuse and what we mostly intend to do about it beyond dreamy revenge. Let's say that Bradbury and Sembler are good buds, that Sammie and the rest of the bunch do steal information from real survivors as it happens, and that this site is bollocks. We are saying that for a purpose I will speak at the end.
Is it delusional of me to think that there are absolutely NO former Straight staff and graduates who do not wish to see any 'Day In Court' for any survivor of child abuse?
Since, for now, the child abuse at Straight does exist, we can say that there will be more work to do until we see our motherfucking trespassors forgiven in hell. Straight Up! I am willing to forego that any of the actual work you are describing that has been done is more than just mere communication of ego.
I believe that there are some legitimate survivors out there, but I have yet to see them here. And I find it funny, not funny in the sense of laughable - but more in the sense of not being very opaque, that you all defend one another so well those you don't really know. "He is real, they are my friends". Remember, and remember especially now that Straight and child abuse DO exist in this new scenario, these are people who would just assume spit on you, fuck you up, beat you down, belittle and completely and totally humiliate you in front of your friends, relatives, Straight friends, in public, and elsewhere. And oddly enough, again, they will do it for attention. Their parents put them in there so it must be right, staff told them to kick your ass. Fame and attention.
These are the people who you defend, who you claim to have done some substantial work that can, for some 'coincidental' reason, NEVER be quantified although extenuating effort has been made timelessly.
And what I mean by that is simply this. Wes, for example, has all these documents and pages of things that can NOT be tested. Ray claims to have found a penis pump that can not be found. Marti claims to have opened up an old bankruptcy, pppffffftt - no need to rebuttle that one.
But wait a second, I am being delusion or making this scenario up. I almost, not quite, forgot about that part. I am not telling the truth, I am being delusional like others have been you mentioned, I don't know them, I don't know what I am talking about. Ray actually did close down a whole therapy group by himself. He actually has real proof that he stole a penis pump. Sherman really does want to help others. And there really is some underlying organized them to whatever is going on with the work regarding actual child abuse. Plus the fact that advocates have to live their lives. Alright, I concede to this scenario for the minute.
The movie that was promised, StraightKIDS Inc., in the Summer, is in movie theatres right now. And soon it will be on DVD for me to copy and rip. Many law firms, firms that these survivors in question have approaced and taken other survivors personal and private information, have taken the case and are we will all be seen in court very soon. Which by the way, the survivors are the ones who wound up with those statements after MCG got through with them, not the actual people who wrote them. Oh, wait...I'm making that up and didn't actually speak to Dennis from MCG on behalf of one of the survivors who came to that meeting and bothered to lie and give out some fake name and information for your 'cause'. I'm being delusional again here, there was never anyone named Dennis who heard of Straight INc. from MCG.
And from the conventions; the conventions that produced a change in legislation allowing I.S.A.C. to have some of their staff actually sit in private with the children; we have seen a ripe and full turn about in the way chidren are really treated in institutions that are spin offs of old ones.
From all the UNexxagerated testimonies on public channels, and from all the hoopla there has been alot change. Change that did not take alot of time to exact, no 'little by little' effort that causes WAY too much money to be spent on such a prevalent issue.
All that hard work done for something, again, and I am the one delusional here. Okay, I understand where you are coming from now.