Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Carlbrook
Anonymous:
Wow, there sure are a lot of ex-Carlbrook people here who have gotten awfully frothy about their program being attacked, (or even questioned, by some of the more mild posters.) You guys certainly did come out fighting.
What's so threatening about people seeing things a little bit differently? Why take such offense? If they didn't go there and don't know what they are talking about, why not just say "Psh, whatever, these idiots have no idea what they are saying." and let it go at that? I mean, I understand the testimonials about how great your school is, I'm more talking about how heated it gets when people question the program. (Whether they are accurate about it or not.)
Seriously, what do you care what other people think?
Where did all these Carlbrook people come from, all of the sudden, anyway? Curious...
Should the Fornit's people start a Carlbrook forum, ya think? Just for shits n' giggles, and to piss people off?
Nihilanthic:
Congrats on the ad hominem bullshit. Its not impressing anyone except those who are already gone.
Yeah, my life is hard, whoopie shit... that means nothing. 1+1=2 regardless of who says it, and I dont care who sees me bitching in my LJ. Its what its for - if you feel bad you can bitch and whine all you want to vent, and then move on with life.
BTW, all youre doing is dodging what Ive had to say, and turning around to attack me. I dont care if *YOU* are convinced otherwise, but anyone with a brain and an education can see what youre doing. Im presenting facts, and you're saying that Im messed up mentally and need help to get through it.
I need my dad to stop taking money from my mother, I need transportation that doesnt require constant maintainance, I need a steady job, and I need the stress my dad is putting upon my family lifted, NOT sunshine blown up my ass in a seminar to feel better about it, and then run around spewing a bunch of bullshit about how everyone has to 'experience' something to understand it. I dont want a bunch of lies, I want my REALITY to improve and Im working towards that.
Now, back to the topic instead of more ad hominem bullshit :roll: the way all the carlbrook defenders are acting is the way people from LGA seminars act to a "t". NO details, no facts, no substance, just a lot of words and vagueness. Basically, blowing smoke and saying you have to experience to get it. Its a 'workshop', not drugs or the afterlife!
So, when I accuse Carlbrook of being just a front for seminars which is all about emotionally breaking people down, pulling out all their personal shit, being confrontational, and taking advantage of the psychological regression that results from hours and hours of that emotionally punishing bullshit... what do they do? They talk about 'feelings' instead of facts, they say you cant understand it unless you experience it, and then they CONFRONT me with my own personal shit.
That is an LGA, and a cult (theyre inseperable) in a nutshell, folks. Read up!
Yeah, my life is stressful and shitty, but the truth is the truth, regardless of who says it, and violating my mind and my innermost thoughts (Which you call being out of your comfort zone) to fill me up with bullshit and destroy my ability to think critically and replace it with 'feelings' and 'emotions' and 'experiences' and make me into some boneheaded zombie-hippy is bullshit.
Quick! Go play "Desperado" and pull yourself back into that reduced state before I make you think too hard!
Trying to discredit everything I say as if we're required to accept what the workshop facilitators say as the gospel-truth (and it is, to you!) without saying why, and without backing it up, isn't going to work. ADULTS, especially in the REAL WORLD, ARE critical, DO require facts, evidence, and proof of what you say, not just "accept what we say because we went through some secretive experience".
Id wager the vast majority of parents who were looking for help for their kid, if they WERENT terrified and being manipulated by a program salesperson, and saw the facts of what goes on instead of having it revealed to them after the child is put in there, would choose out of this. Disinformation, or simply a lack of it, isn't selling this on me. Present facts instead of attacking me (We're NOT in one of your confrontational seminars, and youre not going to humiliate me) and saying "oh, you gotta experience it".
Now, for those who read this all the way down, sorry Im so long winded, but I had a lot of points to make. I speak of facts, they speak of feelings and shun criticial thought and facts! I say theyre acting like a cult and they go and start ad-hominem attacks on me because I have a stressful personal life and do their damnest to act like one.
Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947
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tommyfromhyde1:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-08 10:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Another point- no one is locked up at Carlbrook. You can walk down the road anytime. "
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Hyde School in Maine could say the same thing.
They just told your parents to throw you out
on the street if you didn't like Hyde.
It sucks when decent, hardworking people get screwed over like that. Because that means pricks like us don?t stand a chance.
Jim S. watching the devastation of the recent tsunami on the television at JR?s
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Nihilanthic:
Mind games, threats, coersion, lies, etc - all of those can keep someone in a program just as good as physical locks.
Plus, they could simply not have a lock on it, and if someone ran off they'd get jumped by orderlies or higher level kiddos and drug back inside.
Oh, and if they do run off, and get caught, where are they sent to instead? A "harsher program?"
P.S. - just why is it that people are starting to be convinced this is necessary or even a good idea? People got by without programs for a long time and the vast majority of the world does too.
All I ask is equal freedom. When it is denied, as it always is, I take it anyhow.
--H.L. Mencken
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Anonymous:
You guys asked for program names, insisting that if there were some good programs out there you wanted to hear about them. So-you were given Carlbrook. Oh wait- it can't possibly be good. All these grads are just brainwashed! The posts reflect a caring attitude by the staff, openness to individual growth and letting kids find their own way within the bounds of a safe structure. You severely hurt your credibility and show marked immaturity by refusing to accept that maybe, just MAYBE the folks that run Carlbrook may have hit on a good model. Is it perfect? Not at all. What is? My kid attended the school and didn't complete the program for reasons unique to him. However, he came away with some important tools and some great friends- teens and adults. My kid resisted a lot of the therapy, but loved the workshops. I fought the school on several fronts and disagreed with some of the techniques. However, there was absolutely no abuse, brainwashing, withholding of food or any of the things you seem to think are part of every program. There are some staff there that could be better, but there is also the strongest therapeutic team in the industry.
You are hearing from people who actually know what they are talking about. They actually HAVE experience with this program and are not simply bashing any and all program based on a possible (in most cases none at all) experience with ONE program.
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