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tlcrescue:

--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 09:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I know people will hate me for this but I agree with the Smoke Sessions and with the amount of exercising the cadets have to do.



Is there something particular you have in mind?"

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I have to ask, how intimately are you familar with the "smoke sessions" and how much exercising they do?  Do you agree that that 18 hours of exercising a day is appropriate?  While some individuals may be able to handle that (not many I presume), not everyone can handle it the same way, especially in the beginning.  How can they expect someone who has never exercised in their life to exercise 18 hours a day?  Especially an overweight person.  Are you familiar with rhabdomyolysis?  Do you know that over-exertion (i.e. TOO MUCH exercise) can cause this condition and ultimately kill you if not discovered and treated?

Rhabdomyolysis is the breakdown of muscle fibers with leakage of potentially toxic cellular contents into the systemic circulation. The final common pathway of rhabdomyolysis may be a disturbance in myocyte calcium homeostasis.

(1) Severe exertion such as marathon running or calisthenics
(2) Ischemia or necrosis of the muscles (as may occur with arterial occlusion, deep venous thrombosis, or other conditions)
(3) Seizures
Use or overdose of drugs-especially cocaine, amphetamines, statins, heroin, or PCP
(4) Trauma
(5) Shaking chills
(6) Heat intolerance and/or heatstroke
(7) Alcoholism (with subsequent muscle tremors)
(8)Low phosphate levels

Interesting that Roberto Reyes died of this very disease (and if you don't believe me, I have the autopsy report).  Of course, it is presume that this was caused by a "spider bite", however the autopsy report shows no indication on the body of a spider bite...it is mere speculation.  The autopsy report DOES show the multiple contusions and bruises he suffered

Nihilanthic:
What Id like to know is why torture via forced exercise and humiliation during most or not waking hours of the day is somehow a good thing at all?  :roll:


You know, if Mama Cass Elliot would have shared that damn sandwich
with Karen Carpenter, they would both still be alive today!!!!!!!

--chongo
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Anonymous:
I don't know exactly what happened with Roberto Reyes but while I was at TLC during normal exercising we would exercise them and then let them strecth and give them a big enough break that the only people that were still winded were those that were of a heavier set.

During smoke sessions that I was in charge of I remember exercising them, then having them stop listen to me complain about the situation and then exercising them again.  I always tried to give them enough of a break to assure their well being.

Nihilanthic:

--- Quote ---On 2006-01-18 10:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I don't know exactly what happened with Roberto Reyes but while I was at TLC during normal exercising we would exercise them and then let them strecth and give them a big enough break that the only people that were still winded were those that were of a heavier set.



During smoke sessions that I was in charge of I remember exercising them, then having them stop listen to me complain about the situation and then exercising them again.  I always tried to give them enough of a break to assure their well being."

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Riiight... I asked


--- Quote ---What Id like to know is why torture via forced exercise and humiliation during most or not waking hours of the day is somehow a good thing at all?  
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And you answered... nothing. You just gave a press release about "normal exercising" with stretching, etc (I SERIOUSLY doubt you people stretch right... or for that matter warmup, cool down, or eat right, or avoid overtraining. BTW, I did Muay Thai Kickboxing, wanna talk conditioning?  :roll: ) children, or as one of the threats theyre subject to for if they willingly break, or inevitably accidnetally break one of the litany of draconian rules of TLC?

Oh, and dont you fucking DARE say anything about my tone... Id love to have a recording of how that programs ran! Hell, you just might make R Lee Ermey proud!  
Harmlessly passing your time in the grasslands away;
Only dimly aware of a certain unease in the air.
you better watchout,
there may be dogs about.
I've looked over Jordan, and have seen.
Things are not what they seem.


--Roger Waters 1977
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Antigen:
Is it possible, anon (former TLC employee) that you just didn't know what you were looking at? Most of the time when kids die in these places, the last words they hear are something like "You think you can manipulate your way out of hiking, ya little puke! You're disgusting! You don't even have the decency to puke away from yourself! You smell like you shit your pants! Did you shit yourself, you worthless little punk?!"

In one case I read about, they actually kept toting the kid around, exercising him for at least half an hour after the time of death. Do you understand how group-think works on that level?

And I'm really curious to know how you came into that particular job. I understand Thayer pretty much hires any warm body off the street. But I've also heard that the new guys are watched as closely as the inmates till they show some some solidarity. Did you experience anything like that?

The clergy know that I know that they know that they do not know.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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