Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Deborah:
No Shortbus, I ?don?t? read all your posts.
It?s obvious that you and the troll haven?t read all my posts either or you might not be wasting people?s time and attention or distracting from the topic by misrepresenting my situation.
My mother didn?t mention being sent away for the same reason most survivors don?t- humiliation.
If you ever have children perhaps you?ll have some inkling of what it might be like to have your child incarcerated by a sadistic, for-profit corporation that totally disregards your rights, as well as your child?s and doles out abuse under the guise of ?therapy?
Your assumption that all programs aren?t bad is based on what? Any independent research that supports the notion that splitting up families is useful? I haven?t seen it, but have seen numerous studies to indicated the contrary.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---Sounds like youve probably made some ungood choices.
--- End quote ---
Is this your official diagnosis, counselor?
Deborah is one of the all-time most informed people I've ever come accross. The difference between her and most other parents I've met is she seems willing to accept her mistake, and try to help out in a positive way now. Most parents simply go into denial, even if they found out their child was abused, or even worse.
I admire you Deborah, and hope you stay at fornits for a long time to come. You seem to be one of the most informed posters on this site and personally, I would hate to see your expertise gone to waste.
I would of loved to have a parent to discuss my fucked up program experience with. Problems was, my father was compeltely in denial. He was the type who says, till this day, 'well youre alive still arent ya?'. I know any other kids who were locked up in abusive programs for long periods of time know how much this statement enrages them. It enrages me.
So please FORGIVE ME :smile:
Anonymous:
"one of the most respected posters at this site"
Therein lies the problem! How can you respect a one-trick pony? An angry adult who can't get over how she lost control of her kids.
Shortbus:
I havent found the time to read all 2000+ posts. I barely have 100. And if you dont bother to read then than why do respond to them and think that you know so much about me? And why did you let you exhusband send BOTH you kids away?
I dont think Im misrepresenting your situation, I just dont feel its necessary to scroll through all you posts. I was hoping to find one titled maybe "my story" or something that might give an abbreviated storyline that I can attach to Deborah. I never made the assumption that all programs are not bad. I assume that some programs are good sometimes but probably not all the time for all kids. I assume there are bad programs that are probably bad most of, maybe all the time. I assume there are pretty good programs that can produce good results in some kids and not so good in others. These assumptions are based on my personal experience working for two different programs and conversations Ive had with people that have worked at over ten other programs. Ive also had discussions with students that have been enrolled at a number of different programs. And those cover the gamut from Outward Bound to one of the CEDU programs. I have NEVER said programs were all good or all not bad. We can argue this point til the cows come home and as long as you are only willing to discuss the topic in absolutes we will never agree.
And your mother not saing anything out of humiliation???? Thats like standing by and watching someone get the shit kicked out of them and you not saying anything because you dont want anyone to know the same thing happened to you??? Yeah, right.
Your kids paid the price for your mothers silence. Im glad you're not as meek as she is. But maybe you used to be and thats why you didnt stand up to your ex and keep you kids out of programs.
Anonymous:
I think she lost all rights to control what her ex did with the kids. I'm sure she isn't going to tell us the story about why that happened. There is such a strong preference favoring the mother in custody disputes, that it is a little curious how Deborah lost all parental rights.
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