Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Typical Day at Sagewalk
Nonconformistlaw:
Bandit1978 said ----"He/She who marries last wins."
I hope your right about that! And I agree, it is foolish to marry the first thing that comes along or before being ready for it.
TSW, I have you beat...I'm over 30 :exclaim: :grin: ...although I cant say I blame men for being so skittish...lots of scary women (and men for that matter) out there!
Antigen:
I have a kid who's legal to drink and two more coming right up behind her at 5 and 7 year intervals. All girls. Don't step to me tryin' ta' tell me about kids! LOL
What's a politician or a salesman or a manager if not someone who's adept at manipulating voters, customers or employees?
All effective advertising is blatant manipulation. We suspend disbelief and agree to the manipulation (most do, anyway, some I suppose actually believe). But it's manipulation all the same. When kids do it, some people view that as a character flaw. When adults do it, we give them career advancement and a pay raise.
Fear is the parent of cruelty, therefore it is no wonder if religion and cruelty have gone hand-in-hand.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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Anonymous:
There is a line between selling, stating a persuasive case, debating versus manipulating.
AtomicAnt:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 11:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Adults who manipulate to get what they want are called manipulative, just as kids are. Manipulation is an abuse of trust. I'm sure all of you on this board would be such wonderful parents (not that many of you have actually had that experience) that you would NEVER be manipulated by your child and would NEVER believe his or her lies. Sorry the rest of us are such sub-par parents."
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I think you misunderstood my post. I was alluding to the constantly promoted idea that sending kids into a program is a last resort. If a kid is only guilty of being manipulative, that does not seem reason enough to send him to a program.
The original post stated something to the effect that all the kids who are sent into programs are sent there because they are manipulative. I view that as a false generalization. Kids are sent to these programs for many different reasons and often the program is not the last resort.
The word, manipulative, is a frequent used buzz-word among programs. It is used in a very dangerous way. If the student writes home about how horrible the program is, the program informs the parents that the child is just being manipulative. While plausible, it is also possible that the student is telling the truth. How would the parents know? That uncertainty is a good reason not to isolate the student from the parents. The parents have a responsibility to know what is going on.
FYI, I am a parent.
AtomicAnt:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-13 15:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There is a line between selling, stating a persuasive case, debating versus manipulating. "
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I disagree. Anyone who has purchased a new car can tell you that there is no line between selling and manipulating. Unless you mean something different by selling than what I mean by that word. I have found all sorts of salespeople to be manipulative.
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