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Anonymous:
I agree with you all. I can't believe that this show and others like it can survive. Don't they know that a few kids out of the hundreds of thousand throughout the country have died in these programs? I'd rather the kids have died at home, doing their usual destructive behaviours.

And while we're at it, there's a great support group for anyone who wants to join to ban Motor vehicles. I mean come on, thousands of people die everyday in car accidents, yet these selfish car makers keep brainwashing others to buy these cars, trucks, & suv's. I would take a bmx bike to work, but a few people got hurt on them too, so I'm supporting a ban on bicycles too. I had a blister on my foot from some bad shoes (out they go), so I can't walk to work either. Thankfully I can work at home. (I hope my eyes hold out, and I'm suing for carpal tunnel syndrome, even though it was my fault)

At anyrate. Bad parenting is far better than these Wilderness saviour programs anyday.

Antigen:
I've always wondered what drives people to do things like Iron Man or climbing Mount Everest. Personally, I think it's a horrible waste of time and effort. But it's their time and effort. It's not like anyone is holding a gun to their heads making them endure the grueling conditioning and such. So it's just a curiosity. I can still appreciate the accomplishment and determination, even though I don't entirely understand their choices.

Forcing a kid to do these things against their will is something entirely different. Forcing a kid into wilderness death marches and intimacy w/ strangers is beyond bad parenting! Isn't it obvious? If I foced my own kids to hike 10 miles uphill in a blizzard, I'd rightly lose custody and likely land up in prison for it.

I'm glad some people have that faith. I don't have that faith. If there is a God, a caring God, then we have to figure he's done an extraordinary job of making a very cruel world.
--Dave Matthews, South African rock musician
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Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2005-07-21 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I agree with you all. I can't believe that this show and others like it can survive. Don't they know that a few kids out of the hundreds of thousand throughout the country have died in these programs? I'd rather the kids have died at home, doing their usual destructive behaviours.

And while we're at it, there's a great support group for anyone who wants to join to ban Motor vehicles. I mean come on, thousands of people die everyday in car accidents, yet these selfish car makers keep brainwashing others to buy these cars, trucks, & suv's. I would take a bmx bike to work, but a few people got hurt on them too, so I'm supporting a ban on bicycles too. I had a blister on my foot from some bad shoes (out they go), so I can't walk to work either. Thankfully I can work at home. (I hope my eyes hold out, and I'm suing for carpal tunnel syndrome, even though it was my fault)

At anyrate. Bad parenting is far better than these Wilderness saviour programs anyday.

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In most cases, when a "product" is defective, it is recalled.

IMO, wilderness therapy is an inherently defective product.

Doesn't matter if one kid or 100 kids lost their lives "out there in the wild" ...point is they were killed and NOT by an act of Mother Nature, but by human error, willful neglect and gross indifference to even the most basic of safey precautions and procedures.

BRAT CAMP is not a reality show, it is a made-for-tv-wilderness-therapy-camp with real life kids forced to play the role of spoiled, bratty kids under the guise of teaching them respect for God, Family Value and Country.

It's a disgrace.

Barbe
TAUSA
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.org

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---In most cases, when a "product" is defective, it is recalled.

IMO, wilderness therapy is an inherently defective product.
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Inherently defective? NOT! cigarettes, yes. Therapy (wilderness, et al) No.

--- Quote ---Doesn't matter if one kid or 100 kids lost their lives "out there in the wild" ...point is they were killed and NOT by an act of Mother Nature, but by human error, willful neglect and gross indifference to even the most basic of safey precautions and procedures.
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To blindly state that "every" wilderness therapy program is defective due to what you state above is wrong. I'm not saying that what you point out happens... It probably does, in some cases/places. But you can't state that all programs are like that. There are hundreds of thousands of public schools that ARE just like you describe, and you're not joining any fight against them are you?

--- Quote ---BRAT CAMP is not a reality show, it is a made-for-tv-wilderness-therapy-camp with real life kids forced to play the role of spoiled, bratty kids under the guise of teaching them respect for God, Family Value and Country.
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First of all, it IS a reality show. It's a show that displays real-life events. It's not game show. It's not a fictional show. It's not a sitcom. It is a Reality Show. You're wrong to think otherwise.

Second, those kids aren't playing any role - they ARE bratty, spoiled kids. You're wrong to think otherwise.

Third, you HAVE to force them to do this! Show me any kid that does drugs, willfully endangers the welfare and safetly of his own family members, has unprotected sex with multiple partners, runs away from home, etc. that WOULD do this program of their own free will. Show me! You'd be wrong to think otherwise!

--- Quote ---It's a disgrace.
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What's a disgrace is you thinking that these little devils are something they're not, angels.

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