Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Brat Camp
Unusually Resistant Kids, Or Softer Program
Anonymous:
Doug,
Consider yourself warned. You will not be well received here, if that matters, if you don't attempt to educate yourself on the topic of discussion slightly before commenting. You have confused all the information you read.
Shady and Sensationalist?
Read the details of Bacon's 'treatment' in this court document:
http://courtlink.utcourts.gov/opinions/ ... r12_98.htm
Not shady or sensationalist. Sickening and heart breaking to anyone with a heart. And no, he did not have a disorder or disability. Would it matter if he did? They are supposed to have a thorough exams by their own doc and the programs doc and be cleared for the rigorous demands of the program. Apparently the need to fill a spot sometimes takes precedent over accurately describing the rigors. Doc thinks kid is going to summer camp. Yippeee. A little hiking with adequate water, calories, rest, protection from the elements. Right.
Most of the regulars here are familiar with the 'window of loss' excuse for the 40+ deaths due to medical neglect, inappropriate restraint, accidents, and general ignorance and lack of care. We don't buy it.
Can you name any other 'therapy' in which the risk of death is accepted or tolerated? Particularly any 'therapy' for teens.
Do you really believe that the only way to 'save' these kids is to put them in harm's way?
Caneing, flogging, stocks, whips/chains, are highly effective too, but...?
And when you're done reading about Bacon's unnecessary and sadistic murder, you can read about Ian August's:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#55721
There are many more, if you're interested in educating yourself. Then you can start on the stories of those killed in RTCs and boot camps. Total for all three 101. And my list may not be complete. It appears that programs are being more successful at keeping accidents and deaths out of the media. You could spend a month here reading up on all the sick, perverted, and sadistic things that have happened to kids in wilderness, boot camps, and RTCs; under the guise of 'therapy'.
Deborah:
That was me.
Also Anon,
How might you feel if you'd been throwing up because you had a serious medical problem that was ignored? Perhaps, dead.
Do you have a problem with erring on the side of caution? If so, WHY?
dougm:
Okay, I read the court thing, and I will be honest, I was appalled. The setup hasn't changed with sleeping bags, tarps, clothes, food etc. but never once when I was at Sagewalk were we forced to eat stuff other than what was issued to us, and we didn't consume anything "natural" other than steeping some leaves we found and making tea (wasn't great in retrospect, but it was quite a welcome treat at the time) nor were we made to wade in water (what the hell were the counselors thinking???). I need to say that Sagewalk is much different and in no way did I ever experience any of the abuse that he did. However, I still stand by my conviction that wilderness therapy can be quite beneficial for most kids.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-24 16:51:00, dougm wrote:
"Okay, I read the court thing, and I will be honest, I was appalled. The setup hasn't changed with sleeping bags, tarps, clothes, food etc. but never once when I was at Sagewalk were we forced to eat stuff other than what was issued to us, and we didn't consume anything "natural" other than steeping some leaves we found and making tea (wasn't great in retrospect, but it was quite a welcome treat at the time) nor were we made to wade in water (what the hell were the counselors thinking???). I need to say that Sagewalk is much different and in no way did I ever experience any of the abuse that he did. However, I still stand by my conviction that wilderness therapy can be quite beneficial for most kids."
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Here's a novel idea. Send the parents to a wilderness therapy camp and put them through the exact same regimen ... only instead of reading letters written by their bratty kids, they would be the ones writing letters to their children apologizing for being lousy parents and begging them for their forgiveness.
I can see it now ... the kids coming to pick up their new and improved parents ... riding off into the sunset singing Kumbaya.
:silly:
dougm:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-24 16:32:00, Deborah wrote:
"
That was me.
Also Anon,
How might you feel if you'd been throwing up because you had a serious medical problem that was ignored? Perhaps, dead.
Do you have a problem with erring on the side of caution? If so, WHY?"
--- End quote ---
You must understand that erring on the side of caution could be very easily abused. Counselors will definitely address health issues with students who are known not to be problematic. I was sick about 6 weeks into my program, and at first the counselors didn't believe me since I was fairly problematic up until then, but I kept trying to do my daily things (I was throwing up fairly often and had moderate body pain) and I wasn't suggesting that I should go home or such, so eventually the counselors believed me and gave me extra rest (I was allowed to lie in my sleeping bag at the campfire).
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