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Unusually Resistant Kids, Or Softer Program
Anonymous:
Dr. Huffine can suck my asshole.
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dougm:
Here, I finally registered...
Background: I found this forum trying to find other alum of Sagewalk while I was there. No such luck yet.
No, I'm not professional on any other grounds other than the fact that I actually attended the program. It's hilarious but also unnerving to see some of the posts on this site. Referring to the program as "child abuse" is utterly ridiculous. These children are abusing themselves by engaging in dangerous behaviors. By intervening, these parents, whether they are bad parents or not, are doing the right thing in helping their child. While I will vouch for SageWalk on this forum, there are some things I disapprove of, such as exploitation on BratCamp as an example. Now I will take back my comment on calling most of the people on this forum "idiots" but the references to Chairman Mao and Dr. Huffine "sucking your asshole" or whatever was said is uncalled for. I will try to keep my objections civil from now on.
Doug
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-07-24 13:49:00, dougm wrote:
"Dr. Huffine "sucking your asshole"
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Antigen:
Thanks for registering, Doug. But how do you know anything about any of these kids? None of them have stood trial or anything. They're there for one reason and one reason only; because their parents wrote the check.
Are the parents ever wrong? How about the staff? Are the staff omnicient and always right?
That's where I have a real problem w/ these programs and the people who run them. They would no more consider that the kids are innocent or that their own assessments may be flawed than they would entertain the notion that a kid like Aron Bacon was not faking illness.
--- Quote ---Yes, Sagewalk employed Aaron Bacon's murderer, Eric Henry during a 9 month diversion agreement following Bacon's death. He was supposed to refrain from involvement in similar programs for pay. He left, when found-out and went on to Obsidian Trails where another death occured.
http://www.contac.org/contaclibrary/tragedy28.htm
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... art=0#5214
Mark Wardle, who was responsible for the death of Ian August at Skyline Journey, was also employed by Sage Walk.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#63079
Wardle also worked at Brown School's 'On Track' where Charles Moody was killed.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... art=0#5214
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As far as Walking Eagle goes, I don't care how kind or decent he may be to some individuals or even if he likes dogs, horses and cute little bunnies. He associates himself with child abusers and, thereby, tars himself.
What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the unfit, to do the unnecessary.
-- Richard Harkness, The New York Times, 1960
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Anonymous:
It's a tragedy that Aaron Bacon and others have died in these programs, but from what I read in the links you provided, the sources seem rather shady and sensationalist. You need to take into account that there is a mortality rate involved. Several kids have died in camps, but given the amount of kids that have gone through these programs, there is an assumed risk (especially with problematic children) that something may go wrong. I'd like to know what Aaron Bacon actually died of, since there was no mention of an autopsy in the article and one would've definitely been performed in this case. More than likely, Aaron had some sort of disorder/disability/etc, unknown to anybody, that caused him to stop breathing while being restrained. While I don't know exactly the circumstances that led him to Obsidian Trails, he could've easily had the same sort of physical restraint placed against him if he had resisted an arrest (not out of the question for kids placed in these programs).
As for the question of morals and omniscience...no one is completely innocent in any case. There are no perfect parents, there are no perfect children and there are no perfect therapists, etc. But does that excuse the child immediately upon those grounds? Definitely not. I don't want to sound too much like a parrot for wilderness therapy programs, they're definitely not for every problem child, and wilderness therapy was actually probably not for me (I had undiagnosed diabetes when I was sent to Sagewalk, program did not do much for me.) But I was witness to how things are run and I saw several kids that went there, including involuntaries, really take advantage of the opportunity and straighten themselves out. I'd love to continue typing but I need to go drop my cousin off at his baseball game.
Doug
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