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« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2005, 06:58:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-20 16:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"The 18 y/o could go home at least. However, the 16 yo is probably S.O.L.



Hopefully he could get out, find us, and tell the world whats going on FRESH out of that damn place, and shut up all the programmie asshles once and for all.

If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?

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They will completely discount the students testimony anyways. Because they haven't 'graduated' the program they aren't credible according to program parents. The fact they ran obviously shows how they feel about the program. Risking death in a foreign country, basically with no hope of escape-- and still they ran. Kind of makes you wonder.. :question: Well, at least us normal folk.
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« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2005, 07:29:00 PM »
Don't they even tell parents to do the tough love thing with 18-year-olds and refuse to pay for a plane ticket?  Here's $20.  Good luck finding your way out of butt-fuck Jamaica.

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On 2005-07-20 16:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"The 18 y/o could go home at least. However, the 16 yo is probably S.O.L.



Hopefully he could get out, find us, and tell the world whats going on FRESH out of that damn place, and shut up all the programmie asshles once and for all.

If quitting drugs means joining the war on terrorism, does this portend the fire bombing of Amsterdamn ?

--Felton Manifestation

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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2005, 06:02:00 AM »
What is your option as an american adult, overseas, in the post 9/11 world if you were stranded in another nation due to a "school", and your parents disowning you. Dont you get some sort of help back to the USA, or is the embassy that corrupt?

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2005, 06:08:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-25 03:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"What is your option as an american adult, overseas, in the post 9/11 world if you were stranded in another nation due to a "school", and your parents disowning you. Dont you get some sort of help back to the USA, or is the embassy that corrupt?

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
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Surely if push came to shove you could just get yourself deported as an illegal immigrant.  Most countries require the airline that took you there to foot the bill.  Maybe that would make them a little more choosy about who they carry.
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2005, 04:05:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-25 03:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-07-25 03:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:


"What is your option as an american adult, overseas, in the post 9/11 world if you were stranded in another nation due to a "school", and your parents disowning you. Dont you get some sort of help back to the USA, or is the embassy that corrupt?

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor

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Surely if push came to shove you could just get yourself deported as an illegal immigrant.  Most countries require the airline that took you there to foot the bill.  Maybe that would make them a little more choosy about who they carry."

If you're 18 then the US consulate has to give
you a ticket back to the US I belive. They take
your passport away until you pay them back for it.

Q. I simply ask, why is PUNISHMENT the solution with regards to the narrow group of behaviors which encompass illegal drug use....?

A.Pharmaceutical Business, both legal and illegal, run by the same people either way, money coming to the middle from both ends.  Bush.
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2005, 04:11:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-24 15:58:00, YuckFou wrote:


They will completely discount the students testimony anyways. Because they haven't 'graduated' the program they aren't credible according to program parents.

This is a common response from many programs.
Someone just posted on the Hyde board that
anyone who hasn't finished Senior Year just
doesn't know what they're talking about.
riiight.

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2005, 07:21:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-29 13:05:00, tommyfromhyde1 wrote:

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On 2005-07-25 03:08:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-07-25 03:02:00, Nihilanthic wrote:



"What is your option as an american adult, overseas, in the post 9/11 world if you were stranded in another nation due to a "school", and your parents disowning you. Dont you get some sort of help back to the USA, or is the embassy that corrupt?

I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor

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Surely if push came to shove you could just get yourself deported as an illegal immigrant.  Most countries require the airline that took you there to foot the bill.  Maybe that would make them a little more choosy about who they carry."


If you're 18 then the US consulate has to give

you a ticket back to the US I belive. They take

your passport away until you pay them back for it.

Q. I simply ask, why is PUNISHMENT the solution with regards to the narrow group of behaviors which encompass illegal drug use....?

A.Pharmaceutical Business, both legal and illegal, run by the same people either way, money coming to the middle from both ends.  Bush.
http://www.luxefaire.com/' target='_new'>Bill Gallagher

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Yes, if you are over 18 you can request a passport from the US Embassy.  They will also assist you with funds to return you the U.S.

Barbe
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2005, 05:50:00 AM »
Barbe - is the embassy required to do so if requested? Is it required to notify 18 year olds in TB of this?

AFAIK, they dont  :???:

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2005, 07:55:00 AM »
Apparently there are some terrorists who are jamaican lately... supposedly the shoebomber was half jamaican or something, and somehow the latest bombings in london can be traced there.

Im sure when its politically expedient WWASPS will wipe its hands clean of TB, Jay Kay will run with his tail between his legs and use TB to villify Jamaica along with the few terrorists that are traced to that island  :roll: nevermind that the good ole US of A set up the torture camp there in the first place and the terrorism is unrelated and its propbably a tenuous connection at best.

But, hey, at least as a side effect there wont be anyone else sent to TB from here! They'll just find another place to set up their 10th circle of hell for children, however  :sad:

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2005, 10:51:00 AM »
IF I joined the Air Force, how long until they'd let me fly a fully loaded bomber you think?  :lol:
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2005, 11:34:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-30 02:50:00, Nihilanthic wrote:

"Barbe - is the embassy required to do so if requested? Is it required to notify 18 year olds in TB of this?



AFAIK, they dont  :???:

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Hi Niles,

I am not sure what the US Embassy is doing or not doing in Jamaica.  I know in Samoa, it took a lot of effort by myself and others (including 2 trips to the South Pacific that I made in 1999) to convince the charge d'affairs to step up the number of visits to the behavior mod camps and conduct welfare checks of American expatriates notifying them of their rights.

http://www.starbulletin.com/1999/09/29/ ... .html#jump

Printed below is some information you and others might find useful.  This is the revised fact sheet, the original one mentioned in the article above was first published and put online in May 1999.  It was very similar, except for the emphasis on the age at which a child may apply for a passport without their parents permission (14 years old).

Has I been in Jamaica when these teens ran, I would have made sure they were interviewed by the US Embassy and made aware of their rights as US Citizens (14 years and older) living abroad.

Does anyone know if these boys were allowed to talk to the US Embassy????

As a sidenote, I would like to emphasize that if a teen is COURT ORDERED to stay at TB but is 18 years or older, he/she has the right to return to the US and contest the court order.  This was told to me by the Charge d'affair from the US Embassy in Samoa. ADULTS can not be institutionalized without due-process.

FACT SHEET: BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION FACILITIES

In almost every region of the world, there are facilities for the treatment of minor children with drug/alcohol and/or discipline problems. These private and state-owned overseas treatment centers can often be characterized as "Behavior Modification Facilities." Parents/guardians enroll their minor children in these facilities in the hope they will improve their problematic behavior.

Some facilities request parents/guardians to sign a contract for their minor child''s treatment authorizing its staff to act as their agents. These contracts purport to give staff very broad authority to take any actions deemed necessary, in the staff''s judgment, for the health, welfare and progress in the child''s program. The facilities can be located in relatively remote areas, restrict the minor child''s contact with the outside world, and employ a system of graduated levels of earned privileges and punishments to stimulate behavior change. The minor child''s communication privileges may also be limited.

The Department of State has no authority to regulate these entities, whether they are private or state-owned, and does not maintain information about their corporate or legal structures or their relationships to each other or to organizations in the United States. The host country where the facility is located is solely responsible for compliance with any local safety, health, sanitation, and educational laws and regulations, including all licensing requirements of the staff in that country. These standards may not be strictly enforced or meet the standards of similar facilities in the United States. The Department of State has, at various times, received complaints about nutrition, housing, education, health issues, and methods of punishment used at some facilities.

Prior to enrolling their minor children in such overseas "Behavior Modification Facilities," the Department of State strongly recommends parents/guardians visit the facility and thoroughly inform themselves about both the facility and the host country''s rules governing it and its employees. The Department of State also encourages parents/guardians and facility administrators to ensure that all U.S. citizen enrollees are registered with the nearest U.S. Embassy/Consulate in case emergency consular services are needed.

U.S. consular officials are not qualified to determine whether the programs offered by the facilities are of therapeutic benefit to the enrollees. When aware of such facilities, U.S. consular officials conduct periodic facility visits, sometimes accompanied by host country officials, to monitor the general welfare of the U.S. citizen enrollees.

Inquiries into the welfare and whereabouts of U.S. citizen enrollees may be initiated by contacting the closest U.S. Embassy/Consulate in the host country or the Department of State''s Overseas Citizens Services (OCS) office at the below telephone number. Also, parents may contact the closest U.S. Embassy/Consulate in the host country to inquire about the facility or speak to the Department of State''s Bureau of Consular Affairs'' OCS Specialist for that country (Tel.: 202-647-5226 or, for after hours emergencies, 202-647-5225).

The Federal Privacy Act protects U.S. citizens, including minor children, from the unauthorized disclosure of information that the U.S. Government has collected and maintained about them unless the U.S. citizen has consented in writing to the release of the information or one of the Privacy Act''s "conditions of disclosure" permits the U.S. Government to release the otherwise protected information.

While parents/guardians may at times act in loco parentis for their minor children and obtain information that is otherwise protected by the Privacy Act, it must also be noted that minor children''s explicit wishes must be respected. Thus, a U.S. consular officer who has been advised by a minor child that s/he does not want any information released to an inquiring parent/guardian should honor those wishes absent the presence of circumstances affecting the health or safety of the minor child (i.e., one of the "conditions of disclosure"). Parents/guardians should be aware that U.S. citizens 14 years of age and older have the right to apply for a passport without their parents''/guardian''s permission. In extreme emergency situations, they may also request repatriation assistance from the U.S. Government without parental consent.

January 2004

Barbe
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2005, 11:50:00 AM »
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On 2005-07-30 08:12:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Why wait that long? I think we should pull together some boodle hire a boat and go torch the dump ourselves.



What a theraputic holiday for a few of you survivors, I will as long as I get to use the flame thrower.



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« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2005, 12:04:00 PM »
Why not get some people together, go to Jamaica, and raise some hell? We could hook into the "war on terror" or the "global struggle against extremeism" (I just love the doublespeak :grin:) and talk about how unsafe our children are in Jamaica being manhandled in a facility accused of being abusive while we catch jamaicans in london and the shoebomber being half jamaican...

Hey, its being lowest common denominator, but if THEY say the means justify the ends why cant we  :wink:

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« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2005, 12:12:00 PM »
I'm dead serious. If anyone here puts together a protest or anything at a WWASP facility I will be there. It would be great if we could get the press out there. And a bunch of ex-students. Man.. that would be great.
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« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2005, 12:20:00 PM »
I think one way to help get the word out would be to show up in Jamaica and demand the US Embassy do their job.  Make them go out to TB (unannounced) with a stack of Privacy Act waivers so they can conduct a welfare check on all the teens.  As long as the teens sign the waiver, then the US Embassy can release the "confidential" information obtained from the teen to interested parties (such as advocates, siblings, relatives, etc.)

The key is to request a welfare check and obtain a signed waiver. I know this can be done because I did it myself in Samoa. I also helped 3 18 year old teens who ran away from a program get back to the U.S. 1 of whom was assisted by the US State Department with airfare as the teen's parents wanted nothing to do with her and would not give her any money.  This was an extreme case (not related to WWASPS) but I have heard of parents being "coached" to tell their teen they are on their own if they quit a program without their consent.  

Hope this helps.

Barbe
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