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« on: July 18, 2005, 05:09:00 PM »
I'm searching for feedback from parents, students or alumni of Hyde. We are considering Hyde for our son.
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2005, 05:27:00 PM »
Hyde is a cult. If you want your child to get wrapped up in this lifestyle, and if you want to be required to raise funds for this cult, then this is the school for you!!  Do not believe Hydes promotional materials on the website or elsewhere!  You are only seeing the successes but believe me there are more failures than successes at this dangerous place
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2005, 05:37:00 AM »
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"You are only seeing the successes but believe me there are more failures than successes at this dangerous place"


Hmmm.  I would argue to the contrary.  I would say most students I have seen over the years either love Hyde, or appreciate what its teaching them.  

Anyway, aside from anecdotal evidence and your personal vendetta, do you have any numbers to back this up?  And what is your standard.  

I know countless stories of people who "failed" while they were at Hyde, only to really "get it" sometime later.

Parents, read these boards and educate yourselves.  Educating yourself about such an important decision is critical.  But also know that angry people come out in droves under the cloak of anonymity on the web, whereas the contented and happy just don't care about these sort of boards.

By all means, you should go to the school and talk with the students.  Ask about 2-4.  Ask about the horrific abuses.

What you will find in most cases is that there is always another side to the story, that they Hyde philosophy is (by and large) compelling and tremendously successful.

At least it was for me (in which case, maybe I am the one who misperceives).
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2005, 09:03:00 AM »
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Hmmm.  I would argue to the contrary.  I would say most students I have seen over the years either love Hyde, or appreciate what its teaching them.  



Anyway, aside from anecdotal evidence and your personal vendetta, do you have any numbers to back this up?  And what is your standard.  



I know countless stories of people who "failed" while they were at Hyde, only to really "get it" sometime later.



Parents, read these boards and educate yourselves.  Educating yourself about such an important decision is critical.  But also know that angry people come out in droves under the cloak of anonymity on the web, whereas the contented and happy just don't care about these sort of boards.



By all means, you should go to the school and talk with the students.  Ask about 2-4.  Ask about the horrific abuses.



What you will find in most cases is that there is always another side to the story, that they Hyde philosophy is (by and large) compelling and tremendously successful.



At least it was for me (in which case, maybe I am the one who misperceives)."

Please excuse my assumptions, but I can only believe you did NOT go to Hyde if you imply that the failure rate at Hyde is low or that many kids will "get it" later in life, or that most "love" Hyde.  I was there and I know this is not true!  It is almost a joke how many kids started with me but did not graduate, and of the ones who did graduate a high percentage went back to their old ways within a short time of leaving Hyde.  This is why so many experts question the success of these programs.

The only analogy I can think of are criminals who go to jail.  In this very structured environment these criminals remain on good behavior.  They don't have a choice while being incarcerated, but once let out a high percentage are repeat offenders. It cannot be proven that jail is a deterrent just like it cannot be proven that putting teens in a specialized boarding school like Hyde will make any difference whatsoever other than while they are in the school.

Many of the kids who I knew that graduated were accepted to colleges as Hyde prides itself on, but they never stepped foot on any of those campuses.  After these "successful" students graduated, they slowly slipped back into the destructive ways that got them to Hyde!  I might be considered one of those "successes" of Hyde, but the reality is, Hyde did not change me and I did not change myself while at Hyde.  The changes in me happened partly because of what I was exposed to at Hyde and partly because I got older and grew up on my own. My parents apologized for sending me to Hyde.  They realize this mistake, and although we spent some good times together at family weekends and FLC's, the hypocrasy that existed at Hyde was actually a learning experience for my entire family.

I see people on this board talking about 2-4.  Yes, I saw people being punished for having sex, (sometimes an older student with a minor), saw drugs being brought into the school, saw violence, and more.  I even witnessed staff doing illegal acts. This should tell you what kind of school Hyde is if they accept such troubled kids who EVEN under careful watch are breaking these kinds of rules.  This is NOT a "mainstream school" for character building!  Most of the kids at Hyde, (there are a SMALL number who do not fit into this description)have severe problems and the parents have been failures up to this point.

Of all the people in my graduating class, (very small compared to what we started out with) I would say there are only a handful who were true sucessess, and of those I would say that most would have matured and grown on their own eventually without spending $32,000 per year.

Hyde is a good place, (compared to some of the other specialty boarding schools) for parents who are at the end of their rope but if you are expecting for your child to transform themselves and truly become a person of character, you aren't going to get this.  The apple doesn't fall far from the tree and the good character develops at home not Hyde, and certainly not all the negative influences at Hyde.  Instead it would be healthier and less costly to invest this same money in local counseling for both you and your teen.  These kids need to be in a safe environment getting the love they so desperately need from their parents.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2005, 09:07:00 AM »
"Parents, read these boards and educate yourselves. Educating yourself about such an important decision is critical. But also know that angry people come out in droves under the cloak of anonymity on the web, whereas the contented and happy just don't care about these sort of boards."

I chuckled inside HYDEFAN when you say people come out under THE CLOAK OF ANONYMITY.  Why didn't you give your real name?
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2005, 09:39:00 AM »
The main point is to go to Hyde with open eyes!!  It is NOT a mainstream school or simply a school with Character based education!  Hyde IS a specialty school with a very high attendance of troubled teens!!  Just know this if you are considering Hyde.
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2005, 11:08:00 AM »
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On 2005-10-02 02:37:00, HydeFan wrote:


Anyway, aside from anecdotal evidence and your personal vendetta, do you have any numbers to back this up?  And what is your standard.  



Parents, read these boards and educate yourselves.  Educating yourself about such an important decision is critical.  But also know that angry people come out in droves under the cloak of anonymity on the web, whereas the contented and happy just don't care about these sort of boards.



By all means, you should go to the school and talk with the students.  Ask about 2-4.  Ask about the horrific abuses.


Hey genius, it's not "anecdotal evidence," it's empirical evidence.  There's a big difference.

If you're contented and happy, why are you here?  I thought those type of people just don't care about these boards?  You seem to invest a lot of energy in this board for someone who doesn't care.

Yes, parents, by all means, ask about the horrific abuses.
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2005, 01:13:00 PM »
Hey there genius, "empirical evidence" is evidence derived from quantitative research from primary sources, not, "I was there, I know".

Well, I was there, and I know too, and I saw the incredible number of students and families whose lives were touched deeply by their time at Hyde, whether or not they graduated.

Just because a significant portion of students do not graduate means little to me.  Many can't afford the full four+ years, and many can't handle the rigors of the growth that is required, but most, from my perspective, were profoundly touched.

Granted, my evidence is simply anecdotal, but I was in a place to see that happen over a long span of years.  Someone who was there a short time and a chronic runaway probably was less likely to see things anywhere nearly as clear.
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2005, 01:14:00 PM »
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"The main point is to go to Hyde with open eyes!!  It is NOT a mainstream school or simply a school with Character based education!  Hyde IS a specialty school with a very high attendance of troubled teens!!  Just know this if you are considering Hyde."


I do believe this to be true....as much as they try to position themselves otherwise.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2005, 01:20:00 PM »
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I chuckled inside HYDEFAN when you say people come out under THE CLOAK OF ANONYMITY.  Why didn't you give your real name?



I have no reason to post my name.  I have a lot of experience on chat boards.  They are often filled with a very small number of angry and/or hostile people with unlimited energy devoted to making their point.

The point is, I had an invaluable experience at Hyde.  You, on the other hand, attack the school with stories of what you saw (as opposed to what happened to you).  Well, having worked on both sides of 2-4, I am fairly certain that were your name to be known, your personal transgressions of the honor code, and your character deficits would at least allow readers to place your comments in context.

So keep chuckling "inside".....at least Tommy's name is out there, and I give him credit for that.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2005, 04:17:00 PM »
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The point is, I had an invaluable experience at Hyde.  You, on the other hand, attack the school with stories of what you saw (as opposed to what happened to you).  Well, having worked on both sides of 2-4, I am fairly certain that were your name to be known, your personal transgressions of the honor code, and your character deficits would at least allow readers to place your comments in context.



Glad your experience at Hyde was positive.  I certainly cannot say that my entire experience at Hyde was bad but looking back now I feel I wasted a lot of time.

Sorry, but you have it wrong about any personal transgressions or breaking ethics.  You might not believe this, but I was never on 2-4, never broke the honor code, never got into fights, never disobeyed the teachers.  I didn't really belong at Hyde, but unfortunately during the interview they sold my parents on it.  I was there because I was not working at my full potential in school.  What I needed was to be home, tutoring, and communicating better with my parents.  What I got was exposure to some of the most bizarre teens with parents who were even more bizarre.  I was exposed to drugs, homosexuals, kids with eating disorders, and parents who talked about things that were not appropriate in my estimation.  Now that I am a parent I sure wouldn't want my kids to be exposed to this.

So if you want me to talk about my experiences, it would be talking about what I saw at Hyde which is in your eyes wrong!  Hyde didn't notice me much because I did not cause controversy!  The sad thing is I lost out on several years of a good education.

I am not bitter, only interested in helping other parents. Hyde is not for a kid who has minor problems.  I did not benefit other than growing up fast by being exposed to so much garbage!!
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2005, 04:36:00 PM »
Your experience parallels my own.  I was astonished to discover how many seriously struggling teens attended Hyde.  I had no idea that was the case when I started.  Clearly the school attracts many desperate parents who don't know where else to turn.  While at Hyde I encountered many students with depression, bipolar disorder, eating disorders, major anxiety, and a whole host of other serious problems.  What worried me most was the way these kids were treated by staff -- as if they didn't have any mental illness (everything got turned into an "attitude" problem -- how naive!).  Everything I saw during my years there convinced me that most of these other students would have been MUCH better off at schools that understood and recognized their mental health struggles.  I used to cringe when I heard how some of the staff and group leaders (and sometimes even parents) treated these kids, especially in FLC's. When I think back on my experience I can't believe how so many young faculty could be given so much responsibility for students who had such serious mental health issues.  It seems unconscionable, and that's why I'd never send my kid to Hyde.

I too saw some Hyde kids who didn't have major struggles other than not performing up to their fullest potential academically.  But that kind of kid would be much better off in a school designed mainly for under-achieving students.  Mixing that kid in with the typical Hyde population is just plain wrong.

The highest functioning kids at Hyde seemed to be children of staff and faculty members.  They're also the kids who often seemed to be Hyde's "poster" kids -- not exactly the typical Hyde student.

You're also right that the academic program is weak. If I wanted my to kid to get a real serious education, I'd send him or her elsewhere.  If I had a kid with major mental health issues, I'd send my kid elsewhere.  There are VERY few kids who seem to be a good fit for Hyde -- maybe those who are defiant.  My guess is that's why the drop-out rate is so high.
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2005, 06:01:00 PM »
I encourage all of you to get the word out to your Ed Specialists or whoever else found Hyde for you.  When it comes to your kid, it should be a good fit and in these two cases it doesn't seem as though it was!  These Ed Specialists should be more careful when placing children in a special school.  Hyde might work for some, but for others it is detrimental and can have life long consequences!
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2005, 09:41:00 PM »
Hard for anyone to recommend anything to you without know you and your family.  The best they can tell you is why it was or wasn't a good fit for them.  For me, it was awesome; for others, maybe not so much!  There is definitely truth to what is written here, but all of it has to be put in context, the good and the bad, and that's a complicated puzzle--but any decision for an alternative school is likely going to be challenging, so get as much input as possible and make the best decision you can.

Good luck.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2005, 12:57:00 PM »
No way would I ever sentence a kid to this obviously fucked up so-called "school."  Never.
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