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« on: July 14, 2005, 12:45:00 PM »
Orlando Sentinel:
ABC has perfected the feel-good reality show with "Extreme Makeover: Home Edition." The network has gone another route with reality recently, with some disastrous results.

Brace yourself for feel-uneasy TV.

"Brat Camp," debuting Wednesday, tracks nine reckless teens whose desperate parents ship them off to a wilderness boot camp to shape up. The goal is laudable, but the program turns voyeuristic and intrusive.

There's no contest among the participants on "Brat Camp." The unruly teens have been sent off to SageWalk, The Wilderness School, in remote Oregon, to be broken of their destructive ways.

The situations are dramatic and shocking. The therapists react thoughtfully but firmly. The teens comport themselves before the camera with chilling ease. Socially awkward Frank and compulsive liar Jada are the dominant figures in the two-hour premiere.

Yet "Brat Camp" operates on the questionable notion that intense, personal therapy can be adapted into entertainment for the masses. This programming for a summer night depends on confused, young lives that might be better off protected from a camera's invasiveness.

The narration often sounds too optimistic for the dire situations. There's a lot more at stake with "Brat Camp" than whether it succeeds in the ratings. It will take years to understand whether the children turned themselves around.

ABC likes to trumpet that its reality programs provide wish fulfillment. Yet you might wish that "Brat Camp," like the recently yanked Austin-set series "Welcome to the Neigh-borhood," hadn't reached the air.
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005, 12:48:00 PM »
LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - In the annals of parent nightmares, this one is near the top: teens who won't behave and, worse, become threats (bodily as well as psychologically) to everyone around them.

What's a parent to do when all else fails? Send the kid to a brat camp, a place far out in the wilderness (so no one will know or see) and get him or her straightened out, at any cost. In this primetime telecast, "Brat Camp," kids get sent packing, as it were, to that very same wilderness and the viewer gets to watch the kids' psychological turnaround -- every painful, seemingly sadistic moment of it (although sometimes caring as well).

As television fodder, this is old stuff: Maury Povich and Montel Williams, for starters, have been doing it for years, albeit in more sensationalistic form. It has great audience appeal, the kind that reality television folk love: the plain old, gladiatorial thrill of watching someone get punished, the rush of that voyeuristic gaze into someone else's distorted life.

The group of kids in this telecast, whose problems range from drug and sex addiction to plain old (but severe) oppositional behavior, get their due. And we're there to see every thrilling moment of it. More signs of the times.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 01:17:00 PM »
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sex addiction

Would it be called that if they were adult?
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2005, 01:21:00 PM »
Healthy.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2005, 01:54:00 PM »
It's amazing that Fair Housing was going to sue ABC for allowing a bunch of bigots to decide who's worthy enough to live their neighborhood, but there's not one national children's organization speaking out at the very least about this sick show.

If any of these kids make it out of there here are some suggestions:

1) Call CPS on your parents and tell them about how you were forced to go into that place and suffered mental and / or physical abuse. If it takes 10 years or so for the brainwashing to wear off like it did for many of us here, then speak out publicly about your experiences when you finally come to terms of how wrong these places are.

2) If you have ever disclosed substance abuse to this place, file a recipent rights complaint. It's against the law to disclose a client's substance abuse issues w/out their consent. Oh I'm sure they had all the kids sign a long agreement to sign their rights away, but plead that you were coherced. Think about how for the rest of your life potential employers, colleges, professional associations, and mates are going to have an extremely easy time finding out you used substances because your parents allowed all your buisness to be paraded on TV.

Just a little background info from my own exp, I once signed away my freedom in a treatment center as a minor. You see we were all coherced into doing this because we were told we would not be able to ever move up on our phases (treatment level) and we would not have the "priveledge" of speaking to our parents. So if we did not sign the consent for treatment form we would never be able to make it off the first level, talk to our parents, go to school on the outside, or have a chance to go back home before we turned 18.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2005, 02:04:00 PM »
Your post tells the whole story and you still don't get it.

People in this country---parents, media types, CPS, whoever---just don't buy the line you're selling that putting limits on a kid is abuse.  

It's just a few malcontents like yourself who think that putting a defiant drug abusing kid in a program is abuse.

Oh you may find a scum bag lawyer here and there who will try to trump up a case in certain circumstances but without enough stupid gullible people on the jury, that case is going to go nowhere

Bottom line: reason there is virtually no criticism of Brat Camp (which btw I think should NOT have been televised  because these kids deserved privacy in working out their problems) is because the country (except for some posters here apparently) has collectively grown up and is no longer willing to let adolescents run wild and ruin their lives in the name of unguided self-expression
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2005, 02:17:00 PM »
Well don't you think it ODD that the so called professionals who work there even ALLOWED it to be aired on national TV? That they agreed to this arrangement? I think they, along with the parents, are solely responsible for that. Them even more because they are supposed to know better. The problem with this program, is that if you will read pretty much any professional counselor or psychological organization's code of ethics, they all list things such as: confidentiality, having a say in their therapy, being treated with dignity, being respected, being given the most freedom they can within the confines of therapy. These things are listed in every major professional association, I am sure also the ones those so called professionals on the show are members of. These people are supposed to be professional THERAPISTS. That is not what therapists are supposed to be doing.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2005, 02:18:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-14 11:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Your post tells the whole story and you still don't get it.



People in this country---parents, media types, CPS, whoever---just don't buy the line you're selling that putting limits on a kid is abuse.  



It's just a few malcontents like yourself who think that putting a defiant drug abusing kid in a program is abuse.



Oh you may find a scum bag lawyer here and there who will try to trump up a case in certain circumstances but without enough stupid gullible people on the jury, that case is going to go nowhere



Bottom line: reason there is virtually no criticism of Brat Camp (which btw I think should NOT have been televised  because these kids deserved privacy in working out their problems) is because the country (except for some posters here apparently) has collectively grown up and is no longer willing to let adolescents run wild and ruin their lives in the name of unguided self-expression"


No, putting limits on a child's behavior is not child abuse. But forcing children to sleep in tents outside in the snow is. And forcing children to march on and on and on, while punishing those who can't keep on going (a common occurance in wilderness programs) is child abuse. Restricting food and water (another widely used practice in programs) is child abuse. Restricting communication between parents and children (which is done in almost all programs) is child abuse.

The reason that there isn't more criticism is because people have been indoctrinated with this stupid "tough love" approach, which basically states that all a "defiant" kid needs is a good beating. But you can't say that out loud, of course. So you do it in other ways: restrict their food and water, make them march for hours and hours, force them to sleep outside despite the extremely low temperatures. And, yes, all that is abusive-- but who gives a damn, right? As long as those little spoiled brats get what's coming to them.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2005, 02:19:00 PM »
Oh yeah, and let's not forget -- telling the truth!! Those kids were lied to about what they were getting into, and the counselors just left after they were all devestated. Leaving devestated kids to "process through it" is absurd.
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2005, 02:26:00 PM »
AND, it seems this place isnt' even licensed by the freaking state. Can you say RED FLAG? http://www.sagewalk.com/links.htm. Where is the state of Oregon's health dept on this list?? It's not here because they don't want to follow standard procedure. That's really cool, isn't it.
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« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2005, 02:38:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-14 11:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Your post tells the whole story and you still don't get it.



People in this country---parents, media types, CPS, whoever---just don't buy the line you're selling that putting limits on a kid is abuse.  



It's just a few malcontents like yourself who think that putting a defiant drug abusing kid in a program is abuse.



Oh you may find a scum bag lawyer here and there who will try to trump up a case in certain circumstances but without enough stupid gullible people on the jury, that case is going to go nowhere



Bottom line: reason there is virtually no criticism of Brat Camp (which btw I think should NOT have been televised  because these kids deserved privacy in working out their problems) is because the country (except for some posters here apparently) has collectively grown up and is no longer willing to let adolescents run wild and ruin their lives in the name of unguided self-expression"



Oh, but you are wrong I do get it. I get that people like you have perverse pleasure in making kids suffer all in the name of treatment.

Chances are the parents are the ones that helped contribute to all the underlying problems that caused the kids to act out.

Treatment should not mentally or phyically harm someone, nor put them at risk. Your right I'm "malcontent". I'm not content with people harming kids. I know you thought you were attacking my intelligence by your snide remark, but you have failed.

I am also not against treatment that is based on a strengths / empowerment based approach and on an out patient basis.

These places are causing more harm. The break them down and build them up approach is not an effective means of beneficial treatment. If you understand anything about brain washing techniques this is a major component.

Sounds like I hit a nerve with you. ***Patting myself on the back*****  :wave:

Also there have been numerous studies done on offenders that went through boot camp programs versus jail and prison and it DID NOT lower any recidivism rates. I highly doubt these places for teens have any long term effects of stopping "undesirable" behaviors.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2005, 02:51:00 PM »
The credits were "inspiring." And just how does one become CERTIFIED as a restraint specialist?
And just how many kids have died in these programs while being restrained? Made me want to throw up.
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2005, 03:08:00 PM »
Perhaps we should threaten to boycott ABC's Desperate Housewives to get Brat Camp off the air. Desperate Housewives is their pride and joy.  :rofl:

Someone please make a note of the advertisers sponsoring brat camp the next time you watch it.

BTW any therapist that thinks their clients are brats are in the wrong profession. Shame on you for working in a place like this!!!!!!!!!

Regarding the previous post about professional ethics: you are absolutely right!
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2005, 03:25:00 PM »
One of the screwed up families on Desperate Housewives sent their son to a boot camp.

Did you see the trailer that aired during the program for another series to air on ABC?
Wildfires- missed part of it but something along the lines of a teen girl being sent to a gulag that was a horse ranch. She refered to it as 'prison'.

Now these guys are really clever, the one's with the farms/ranches. They get free labor in addition to tuition. What a sweet, sweet, deal.
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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2005, 03:43:00 PM »
it won't be along long. the show was horrible. of course everyone here found it interesting though.
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