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Offline Antigen

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« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2005, 02:04:00 PM »
Can I indulge myself by taking a guess at this point?

I think all these neo-edcons (hey now! there's a newly minted term!) fully support the basic Program. Emotional abuse, isolation and extreme austerity are all perfectly fine w/ them. As long as there's no pepper spray and they let a doctor patch the kid up whenever they injur them or make them sick, that's just fine w/ most of these people.

So the Whit is Great, as far as Sue and Jeff are concerned. They can suspend disbelief indefinitely, so long as they continue to not leave such obvious marks as chin scars and chemical burns on the kids.

At the end of the day, though, they just don't get it. And they probably never will.

Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2005, 05:52:00 PM »
I am a little mystified as to why the TV company would need Sue Scheff to recruit parents.  After the first series on ABC Family there were parents on the ABC message board asking how to sign up.  It was just one long advertisment for them.  I don't know the details of the contract but I assume the TV company is paying the fees.  This is a program parent's dream.  Why pay an ed con to sell it?  It sells itself.

On the other hand, it does seem a little odd that over half the kids are from California.  Do they have a very energetic recruiter there is it just because that is where the production company is based?

If Sue is involved does this mean she gets an advertorial like she did on Montel?
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« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2005, 07:04:00 PM »
Sieg Heil! Hitler Jugend uber alles!
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« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2005, 07:36:00 PM »
ABC's Brat Camp is the biggest promoter for the teenage behavior modification industry since Columbine.
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« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2005, 09:08:00 PM »
I don't expect they did Need anyone to help recruit for Brat Camp - Nevertheless - they contacted Sue; and as a result, she had the producer call a  mom I know, to see if she wanted to send her daughter. I do a little doubt she was the only one.

Ginger - I don't think what is going on at Whitmore (according to the allegations) would be just fine with Jeff. I think he is believing her b/c they have known one another so long. I think, most likely, he just can't believe she has less than "PURE" motives. So, he is believing what he's been told with out really considering the possibility he might not be getting the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I think he and several others ought to be considering this possibility.
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« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2005, 09:18:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-10 18:08:00, BuzzKill wrote:

So, he is believing what he's been told with out really considering the possibility he might not be getting the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

I think he and several others ought to be considering this possibility.



Which part do you think they don't believe, though; the brainwashing or the overt violence that results?

I'm saying these folks seem to approve of brainwashing, they just get queezy over the details. Sort of like seeing sausage made.... or Upton Sinclair's attempt at cleaning up the markets in Chicago. They're really alright w/ the petritude and corruption of the industry, so long as there's nothing going on that the union objects to.


Truth does not have to be accepted on faith. Scientists do not hold hands every Sunday, singing, "Yes gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! Amen.
--Dan Barker, former evangelist and author

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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2005, 09:53:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-10 18:08:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"I don't expect they did Need anyone to help recruit for Brat Camp - Nevertheless - they contacted Sue; and as a result, she had the producer call a  mom I know, to see if she wanted to send her daughter. I do a little doubt she was the only one.



Ginger - I don't think what is going on at Whitmore (according to the allegations) would be just fine with Jeff. I think he is believing her b/c they have known one another so long. I think, most likely, he just can't believe she has less than "PURE" motives. So, he is believing what he's been told with out really considering the possibility he might not be getting the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.



I think he and several others ought to be considering this possibility.



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Isn't PURE listed on the ISAC watch list?
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« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2005, 02:28:00 PM »
Guess Berryman has no comment.

Can you blame him?  He knows he has zero credibility with those who read the WWASPS v. PURE documents.

It's a shame, really.  For awhile he was a strong voice against the teen help industry, at large, until he unwittingly got duped, himself.

Tsk, Tsk, Berryman.  Really thought you were smarter than that.

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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2005, 02:53:00 PM »
Its entirely possible Jeff never reads these forums. I know he posts stuff - but that doesn't mean he reads here.

//I'm saying these folks seem to approve of brainwashing, they just get queezy over the details//

You might be right.
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2005, 02:57:00 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2005, 03:08:00 PM »
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On 2005-07-11 11:53:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"Its entirely possible Jeff never reads these forums. I know he posts stuff - but that doesn't mean he reads here.



//I'm saying these folks seem to approve of brainwashing, they just get queezy over the details//



You might be right."


In other words ... these people are saying the ends justify the means.

Effing Hypocrites.  They ought to be ashamed of themselves.

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« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2005, 03:38:00 PM »
So what's Jeff's excuse?  His bain was hijacked by another brand of teen helpers and washed in a tub of koolaid without his knowledge or consent?

That's pure bullshit and you know it.

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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2005, 09:06:00 PM »
ISAC's Watchlist of Facilities and Referral Agencies ...

Facilities:
 
AARC (Alberta Adolescent Recovery Center) - Canada**
   
 Academy at Ivy Ridge - New York*
   
  Bethel Girls Academy - Mississippi* CLOSED but May Reopen
   
  Browning Academy - Utah* - Does not physically exist
   
  Carolina Springs Academy - South Carolina*
   
  Casa By The Sea - Mexico* CLOSED but Still Trying to Reopen
   
  Cross Creek Manor/Center/Academy - Utah*
   
  Darrington Academy - Georgia*
   
  Devereux Foundation - multiple centers nationwide
   
  Eagle Point Christian Academy previously named Bethel Boys Academy - Mississippi*
   
  Elan School - Maine
   
  Escuela Caribe - Dominican Republic
   
  Growing Together - Florida**
   
  Kids Helping Kids - Ohio**
   
  King George School - Vermont
   
  Lighthouse of North West Florida - previously named Victory Christian Academy and Genesis Ministries - Jay, Florida
   
  Majestic Ranch Academy - Utah*
   
  Midwest Academy - Iowa*
   
  New Beginnings Maternity Home - Utah*
   
  New Beginnings Rebekah Academy - Pace, Florida
   
  New Haven Residential Treatment Center - Utah
   
  Oaks Treatment Center - Texas
   
  Operation Par - Florida**
   
  Pathway Family Center - Indiana and Michigan**
   
  Phoenix Institute - Georgia**
   
  Provo Canyon School - Utah
   
  Refuge, Operated by Love In Action - Tennessee
   
  SAFE (Substance Abuse and Family Education) - Florida**
   
  Second Chance - Tennessee**
   
  Spring Creek Lodge - Montana*
   
  Thayer Learning Center/TLC Boot Camp - Missouri
   
  Tranquility Bay - Jamaica*
   
  Turn-About Ranch - Utah
   
  Whitmore Academy - Utah


Referral Agencies:

P.U.R.E., Inc.

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http://isaccorp.org/watchlist.html
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« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2005, 09:37:00 PM »
Just an observation...

Is ISAC or the owner on the payroll of the Aspen Education Group?
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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2005, 09:41:00 PM »
I would suggest Jeff didnt know about Pure /SS receiving referal fees.

It never came into the many converstaions I had with the Pure woman. If fact she stated clealy Pure made 13,000 dollars the year prior to wwasp's request for financials for discovery. The woman lies. Just like the rest of them.
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