Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Three Springs Alumni
Nihilanthic:
Being black and/or having a lisp is not a choice. How you speak IS! You pick up your vocabulary depending on who you hang around, and what you do.
Go listen to some frat boys talk, then go listen to teachers. They talk based on what who their friends/peers are and who theyre talking to.
Businessey people might say paradigm a lot. And yeah, people will use slang with whatever culture they identify with - regardless of race.
Now, considering those words are very much OUTSIDE of common useage except for a few groups, is it as safe assumption to make? Id think so.
I do realize it is an assumption, but it is all Im able to due in lieu of knowledge. And another thing is that when you have to guess, if you can make one with information available to estimate in lack of concrete knowledge, its better than nothing at all.
But hey, we do agree that TBS's are to be avoided and the woman was vague and nonspecific and severely lacking in any information. I just inferred the vagueness and the lingo to reflect something to do with the programs ALREADY - because thats how they talk!
This isn't talking with a lisp = gay, this is more like a man talking about his boyfriend = gay.
Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-10-02 13:19 ]
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-10-02 10:20:00, Nihilanthic wrote:
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On 2005-10-02 10:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
""Oh mommy - nobody likes me cause I'm stupid and ugly and fat"
"There, there Sally darling, it's ok. You are uglier than dirt, so we'll go take you to get a makeover!
Oh - and I think an ice cream would help. But you are such a fat ass, maybe we should stop at the salad bar instead"
Brilliant! I certainly hope you don't have kids or you grow up a little before you do.
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Brilliant! Your inductive logic and the implication I was trying to give are non-existant and went way over your head, respectively!
Ok, icecream and makeover might not work with someone who is lactose intolerant, vegan, or a fatass. SPIFFY. Some kids might like some things more than makeovers to do for fun, SPIFFY!
The point was to do something the child would really enjoy, because when youre having fun you dont feel so fucking shitty and depresed and forget about what made you feel so bad, and because it gives them a chance to open up and talk. Personally speaking, if I feel bad and a friend of family member or my GF gives me attention I feel better, is everyone else on earth so different?
All the girls I know liked icecream and makeovers... now obviously a guy woudlnt like that unless he was a little fruity... how about a burger joint and a trip to a movie or rent him a video game? Go do mini golf or go-karts? Sports? Sheesh! Use your imagination!
BTW - if you think that fat women dont like to eat icecream or get cosmetic shit done then I suggest you take your ass down to a neighborhood salon and see some of those fat women that are damn fucking in love with their fat asses getting their hair and nails done, and call them ugly as dirt, ok? They're enjoying themselves and feeling good and thats what the whole damn point was.
Maybe they could slap some shit into you or tell you to grow up.
P.S. - how are you both so pedantic and stupid at the same time?
A student burst into his office. "Professor Stigler, I don't believe I deserve this F you've given me." To which Stigler replied, "I agree, but unfortunately it is the lowest grade the University will allow me to award."
--Professor Stigler
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Lovely - I think this post sums up your *ahem* intelligence quite nicely. Not to mention giving us a wonderful insight into your caring and sensitivity.
What an ass.
Anonymous:
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On 2005-10-02 07:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-02 06:07:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:
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So that's your solution to low self-esteem? Take her for a makeover and an ice cream?!?!?!?!
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I think a huge point sailed right over your head. In this scenario of a girl-child with low self esteem - the kid gives a clue to the parent that she feels like she might be ugly, and the parent takes the reigns and involves themselves in that kids life in something directly aimed at the "I think I'm ugly" problem.
Of course, if she felt fat, you'd probably pass by the ice cream shoppe, and head for a salad bar, while chit-chatting about how to make low fat and low calorie less boring.
I think Niles was describing the first step in parental involvement. Of course there's more to it than a makeover and ice cream. But living a normal life while working these things out like normal people builds self esteem from within, not in some artifically crafted emo-dome.
Possibly the worst thing for this type of kid is to isolate them from the rest of the world, while they're worked over by a peer group whose very nature is to wear down self esteem, and rebuild in it the image OF The Program, which is generally incongruent with normal society.
What happens to the thin veneer of self esteem then?
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I certainly hope that a poster with a child suffering for low self-esteem doesn't take your advice for a makeover and ice cream. I hope they get the child therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child. What's your advice for a depressed child - take them to see a funny movie?
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Why is it that the first thing you want to do is make a generic teen malady into psychiatric emergency? EVERY TEEN AT SOME POINT Goes through self esteem problems, depression, anger, generalized pissiness.
What's your advice to a kid with zits? Plastic Surgery?"
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You certainly seemed to have read more into the simpleton advice that was there. So I assume you think the "makeover and ice cream" is fantastic advice?? Oh wait, you are going to act as interpreter and tell us what Niles REALLY meant to say.
Gee - ever stop and think when you take a child who thinks they are ugly to get a "makeover", you are confirming in their mind that you think they ARE ugly and need a makeover??? Ever think that going to the salad bar with a kid that thinks they are fat may be reenforcing that thought? Ever think that if the kid IS fat, it may (or may not be) a symptom of something else, and not just a love of Oreos?
And how did you make the flying leap to isolating the kid? or a psychiatric emergency? I never came CLOSE to saying anything like that. I believe if you READ my post, you will see I said "therapy, counseling, or whatever is needed to help the child"."
Amazing how you can twist Niles' words into something that sounds a little more reasonable (at least on the surfact), but take mine and twist them into something outlandish.
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Ever stop and think you're a fucking moron? What a dope."
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As opposed to your brilliant insight? Did you have a point here? If so, you forgot to make it.
Three Springs Survivor:
It was very important for me to read what your post. During my experience at Three Springs Paint Rock Valley in the early 90's, I suffered through a lot of emotional and physical abuse. To hear some one who worked in that Hell and feel regret about their participation means a lot to me. I wish others would come out and speak about what happened. A lot of us good "kids" need closure.
It has been 11 years since I was a resident and I still suffer nightmares. Three Springs is a program that has the potential to churn out violent, anti social, anti authority sociopaths. It needs to be closed.
Three Springs Survivor:
Oh, and so that you know I am not some idiot trying to ruffle feathers around here, my ID at Three Springs was NR336. I was in two seperate groups. I was moved after running away with another resident in a counselors car. I remember a lot of staff and residents names. I remember my campsites all too well. I would like to share my story when the time is right. I am not sure how I will be recieved in these forums. I am just looking for support, an outlet, people like me. I have been in several other programs listed in these forums. All of them as a teenager.
I am doing much better in my life now. I actually do work for a residential treatment facility in upstate NY today.
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