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Antigen:
On 2002-12-12 08:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
Ginger: Brainwashing? Tell me, how is that 2500+/- people can go through the program at Elan, and only a handfull end up sniveling and bitching about it years later?
A handful? Really? And let's not forget the Elan supporters who end up having nervous breakdowns even though they try so hard to believe in the Program. What the hell was that guy's name? Ben something or other? The Weasel?
To answer your question, you might want to read up on the term "cognative dissonance". Here's a good start:
http://www.habermas.org/cncgndis.htm
Who am I to say how others should deal with whatever trauma or damage Elan or other thought reform outfits have done to them? That's no my concern at all; I figure everyone else is just as capable of dealing with their own lives as I am. An awful lot of people do seek some sort of therapy or counseling to help them sort it all out. But that's beside the point.
My concern is in getting the word out on what places like Elan are all about. It's not help, it's torture. I can't even believe that you'd hold forth that everyone who landed up there was out of control or needed this kind of radical treatment. What about all those out of state foster care placements and kick backs?
I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
* - ~ Galt's Creed ~ - *
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Anonymous:
On 2002-12-12 08:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"sysadmin: Your an idiot, plain and simple."
Well, I guess since you can not seem to address any of my points, but have to revert to simply calling me an idoit, I would have to assume that the truth hurts.
You come on here like you think you know something, but soon find out that you don't. It is apperant that you are a "sheeple", just like MOST americans, that beleive what ever CNN tells them to beleive.
W.C. Fields once said, "There's a sucker born every minute"
PT Barnum once said, "A fool and his money are soon parted"
Which is why somany people are scamed, and really beleive that it was worth it. You are apperantly one of those people.
Anonymous:
If there was one relevant point worth commenting on, maybe it would have been.
You seem very biter and defensive, did ELan do that to you? What exactly is it you hope to succeed here?
As far as the "points" you answered none of the questions in the previous post, yet seem to be distraught at my ignorance to yours!
So now I am a sucker for being in Elan? or having a nice life since? Would it be more befitting to an Elan alumni to gonjure up stories, and relate to an opposing point of view in a juvenile and hostile way? Is it beyond your capability to participate in a debate? being that your a minority point of view, I would be more than happy to consider your points...if in fact you HAD some.
And what exactly is my view almighty "admin of nothing"? I have had no association with Elan since 1984 when I left...none other than to reach say 100+/- former residents, to hear that ohh, 85 of them are doing fine and have nothing good or bad to say about Elan.
Hmm, was it Groucho Marx who said:
STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT!
Anonymous:
Uhh, Ginger, do your theories have to apply to EVERYONE to be valid?
Is everyone who attended Elan, and all the other behavior modification "schools" damaged for life? it seems your focused on forcing those who dont think so... to believe they are!! That is absurd! and quite rediculous!
Ben Weasel has had issues that would have been issues if he had not attended Elan at all...
Ben is a musician, an artist, and a damn good writter, not to mention far smarter than any of the fools who come in here and snivel.
I hadnt heard that Ben had experienced a "nervous breakdown" but if its your theory that he did so due to "pushing Elan" or attempting to believe in Elan, your very sadly mistaken, and fucking ignorant if you expect anyone to buy this shit no matter WHAT freak pen pushing idiot thinks there might be a problem with us all.
Ben has made reference to Elan on very few occasions, simply stating he did not approve of many methods there, but found it a vital part of his being now, one obvious part of that being is a superb sense of humor about the whole thing, and a bit more tollerance for the idiots like you two here.
I recall a few conversations with Ben directly relevant to Elan, and I think I can honestly say I didnt see any bitterness that he hadnt put far behind him, and carried on with his dreams and desires.
Ben has struggled with his band, and had things change in his life which would lead anyone to have a reaction much the same as he did, (if in-fact he did have an extreme one)
Tell me something, if your significant other had attempted suicide, made an honest gruesome effort to kill himself, how would YOU react? and would your reaction have a damn thing at all to do with your experiences at straight? or would you simply base your "breakdown" on straights mistreatment 15 fucking years ago?
Duh!
Eh, I doubt it, but your the psychiatrist here Ginger. Tell us all how we should deal with some very normal struggles please, cuz blaming a fucking behavior modification school just doesnt cut it with me (having been there) or anyone Else!
Fuck you for even refering to Ben Weasel in an effort to validate your worthless cause, if you had the fans and loved ones, and OTHERS aside from your SELF to keep happy, you'd have folded under the pressure long before he did...now what the fuck does any of it have to do with Elan?
Nada...but keep trying ok, I am getting a kick out of you and your cronies making complete fools of yourselves. Other than your pointless comments about people you know nothing about, this is quite entertaining.
Anonymous:
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