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Has anyone been through Redcliff Ascent?

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--- Quote ---On 2005-07-11 14:09:00, Couture wrote:

I had an ed consultant do that.

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I wonder if Sue got paid for each referal? So, given a gullible enough parent, someone like her could reasonably expect a couple of thousand dollars/yr/head. What a racket!

The overwhelming majority of people have more than the average (mean) number of legs.  
-- E. Grebenik

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--- Quote ---On 2005-07-18 19:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes. I have been to Redcliff Ascent. My names Brett.  I graduated in Janauary of 2005.  Was there for 75 days, and let me tell you, Brat Camp on television doesnt show you everything that goes on there.  When I was going through, they were actually filming a group from Europe, that later became "Brat Camp".  I have not seen the film yet myself, but I was in the end of the film, during graduation.  If you have questions about Redcliff ascent, or if you graduated from Redcliff, I would enjoy talking to you. [email protected]   I will tell you; dont judge your opinions of Redcliff, based on television.  After a strenous 75 days of living in the wilderness/mountains, I feel like I can accomplish about anything today.  This program helped with many things.  "

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Can I just check those dates?  You were at RedCliff Ascent for 75 days and left in January 2005?  So you went there at the end of 2004. The first Brat Camp at RedCliff Ascent was filmed in late 2003.  Have you got your dates wrong or are they filming ANOTHER Brat Camp there?

I am actually brand new to this forum.  I registered specifically for this topic.
I would like to start with the fact that I went to Redcliff Ascent Outdoor Therapy program over 5 years ago.  I was fifteen years old.  
I woke up one morning, actually to be exact January 10, 2000, to the sound of my dad, and a police officer saying that I was going to Utah for a program that was to be only 6 to 8 weeks long.  
Well, I did the typical young kid in a new environment thing and was very angry at my parents.  It took me all of five minutes to realize the severity of the situation that I was in though to turn that anger into sadness.  It took me a bit of time to adapt to my new surroundings, but it did happen eventually.  The were problem children, I was not one of them, but there were a few that never really adapted too well.  While they did things such as refusing to hike, and cooperate with the team, which later led to us having to push our stuff in a heavy pull wagon,  they most certainly were never were degraded in the manner in which JMAXWHEEL said.  Besides that, Im pretty sure that he never could have remembered what he says he does as well as he does, especially if these events were supposedly common place out there.  Its is painfully obvious that someone couldnt just accept the situation that they were in, and decided to blame all of their problems on others, because denying responsibility for your own actions, and blaming it on others is so much easier.
I graduated Redcliff within about 69 days, and had little issues.  Though I was not there by choice it is an experience that I tell others about today, and they are in disbelief that a young teen could go through so much.

After graduation, I went to The Oakley School.  In my opinion, this place was sucha greater attempt to brainwash you than Redcliff.  It was in a beautiful loactaion, and was extremely good schooling, but I was extremely unhappy there.  

Now, I am 22 years old, and in the US Army, as an infantryman.  I will be leaving the service in less than a year, and going to law school.  So, you tell me if you think that the results of these programs are based upon the individual or the institution.  Personally, some people are just really messed up,and there is no real hope for them.



--- Quote ---On 2005-07-11 14:09:00, Couture wrote:

"No, they did not refer me to whitmore.  I had an ed consultant do that.  It was actualy not a bad place.  I mean, I don't think I would choose to go out there on my own, however, it kept me out of trouble for the time being, and it really made me appreciate all the little things that I take for granted every day.  I don't know if it really helped me in the long run, but I would recommend it to someone who's child has lots of difficulty with athority.  I think this program would help that out a lot."

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How does Whitmore compare to other programs of it's kind (educational boarding school with a component for teaching respect for authority) and what was the name of the educational consultant who referred you?

Whitmore: The owner Cheryl Sudweeks has been charged with child abuse against four children, and the criminal trial is underway. The criminal investigation is still active.
Several parents have filed a civil suit against the owners.
Most of the kids were referred by Sue Scheff at PURE, who still supports these abusive owners, and Scheff continued to refer children to this facility, even while the criminal investigation was ongoing.


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