REVOLUTION

[Anonymous]

On 2005-06-17 08:05:00, linchpin wrote:

"hmmm
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linchcunt for sure

[Anonymous]

bill to end institutionalized child abuse

http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html

[Anonymous]

hey linchcunt - still fucking animals after you shoot your junk?  I am amazed that you are such a worthless piece of shit.  I guess when you were told that in straight it was true.  Linchcunt, linchcunt
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[Woof-a-Doof]

On 2005-06-18 11:41:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

"Do i detect the influences of Buddhist philosophy and /or Krishnamurti in what you wrote?

-starry-eyed."

Oh yes, Buddist, Krishamurti, both J & UG, as well as Nasagardat Maharshi, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri H.W.L. Poonjaji, Black Elk of the Lakota Souix and a host of others. So yeah, lot's of influences. They all speak of revolution.

[starry-eyed pirate]

cool influences Woof-a-doof ::rainbow::  :smokin:

[starry-eyed pirate]

UG, as well as Nasagardat Maharshi, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri H.W.L. Poonjaji,"
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Woof-a-adoof, who are these people?  i began to read Krishnamurti after straight when i was already like 21 or 22 or somethin' and  really dug him. Buddhism too. Other ways too.   But i haven't heard of these other teachers you give creedence to. Who are they?  
i feel like before straight i was just tryin to maintain my freedom of choice in an increasingly insecure and reactionary society.  i tended to ignore all threats and attempts to coerce or otherwise blackmail or manipulate me into submission. Manipulation ,blackmail, kidnapping and coercion are the tactics of the exremely deluded and desperate.  i was very clear-minded and flowed with the Tao without knowin' the Tao, like water.  i was not completely unnatached to the results of my actions, i was carryin' karma, but i was uneffected by all authoritarian attemps to intimidate me.  i wonder if i was singled out and selected for persecution because i realize that authority is an illusion, sustained by fear, caused by attachment to the results of ones' actions.  They couldn't make me accept their lies and deceptions so they put me in straight.  
How 'bout that part in "Pinnochio" when he is on the island of the donkey boys? i forget exactly what was happening there in that part of the story but if i just slow it down some and think freely about it and let all my associations slide i begin to see the relationships between the whip that the slave-owner draws out the life with and the focusing of the attention of ones'own mind on the results of ones' actions, somehow.  How fear drives one into reactionary confusion and sickness.
i think straight used my ganja smokin' as a pretext to incarcerate and mind-rape me.  i think the establishment fears the loss of their illusion of control. straight was the last line of defense against the overthrow of their false authority; The lies, the false gods  they want us to pray to.  They don't want you to know that you are God, that God is in you, that you are creation. "The mighty God is livin' man" -The Wailers, "Get Up, Stand Up". Seems to me that straight is a hardcore institution designed to defend the establishment from revolutionary youth.
When i began to read J. Krishnamurti a few years after straight i felt like he was speaking in a way that validated the reality of the the starry-eyed anarchist kid who had to come up against straight and do battle.
Did anyone else ever feel like straight was an institution just designed to destroy the minds of all revolutionary youth? Fuck authority.  :smokin:  :smokin:  :smokin:    

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If you would have justice in this world, then begin to see that a human being is not a means to some end.  People are not commodities.  When human beings are just to one another government becomes obsolete and real freedom is born; SPIRITUAL ANARCHY.

[Anonymous]

 i think the establishment fears the loss of their illusion of control. straight was the last line of defense

Not the first line of defense, and sadly, not the last.

I'm learning much here, Starry and Woof, keep goin. I'm reading and will  annoy you with posts once and awhile.

[Erinys]

That wuz me. :wave:

Bigot: One fanatically devoted to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and intolerant of those who differ.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary' target='_new'>Webster's

[Antigen]

On 2005-06-23 17:41:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

Did anyone else ever feel like straight was an institution just designed to destroy the minds of all revolutionary youth? Fuck authority.

Revolutionary? No. In fact, there's a strong revolutionary aspect to the Program. I suppse it was a little more evident in The Seed. But I remember a couple of "Take over the word" raps. I always found them spooky and difficult. Found it hard to talk about the whole world being Straight, Inc. so we wouldn't have to send our kids anywhere if they needed the Program and pretend, convincingly, that that was a good thing.

Freedom and autonomy are what the Program was designed to crush.

If every cigarette you smoke takes seven minutes off your life, every game of Dungeons & Draggons you play delays the loss of your virginity by seven hours.
--Brian Warner - The Long Hard Road Out Of Hell

[starry-eyed pirate]

On 2005-06-23 18:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

  i think the establishment fears the loss of their illusion of control. straight was the last line of defense

Not the first line of defense, and sadly, not the last.






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Yeah ,you're right, straight was/is just one link in a long chain of defences.
It was at the same time the most subtle and the most direct form of brutality/blackmail and exploitation, designed as a last desperate bulwhark(sp?) against radically minded kids who were about to inherit their constitutional rights and potentially become a socio-political force to de-stabilize the status quo. i think the exteme lengths to which straight and its' supporters are/were willing to go to in order to maintain their illusion of power over the youth of America  is indicative of the depth of their fear and insecurity of the natural flow of things.  The existence of straight inc. and other programs like it only re-inforces my belief that the whole socio-political-economic system is a system of exploitation and oppression. :smokin:

[starry-eyed pirate]

On 2005-06-23 18:27:00, Antigen wrote:

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On 2005-06-23 17:41:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:


Did anyone else ever feel like straight was an institution just designed to destroy the minds of all revolutionary youth? Fuck authority.

Revolutionary? No. In fact, there's a strong revolutionary aspect to the Program. I suppse it was a little more evident in The Seed. But I remember a couple of "Take over the word" raps. I always found them spooky and difficult. Found it hard to talk about the whole world being Straight, Inc. so we wouldn't have to send our kids anywhere if they needed the Program and pretend, convincingly, that that was a good thing.



Freedom and autonomy are what the Program was designed to crush.

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i hear what you're sayin' Antigen about the program. Straight was a radical institution. But i don't see it as revolutionary because it's absolute purpose was to maintain the existing power establishment.  Or are you tryin' to tell me that straight was even more radical than i realize.  i do see straight as a microcosm of the social power sructure of the world. Straight really is on the outside too. straight is the incisor teeth of the babylon vampire system. Straight was set up to isolate and hold down the strength of the youth of our generation and finally forcibly install the mental slavery- brainwash that had always failed to take in the past. i see how straight kidnapped and broke the future leaders of our society, in order to maintain and advance their own agenda of social control and exploitation.  "Freedom and autonomy is what the program was designed to crush."
Authority lives in fear. PEACE.     ::rainbow::  :smokin:  


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If you would have justice in this world, then begin to see that a human being is not a means to some end.  People are not commodities.  When human beings are just to one another government becomes obsolete and real freedom is born; SPIRITUAL ANARCHY.[ This Message was edited by: starry-eyed pirate on 2005-06-23 21:09 ]

[Antigen]

Well, I guess I'm a little jealous over the definition of status quo. To my mind, the status quo in this country is personal soverignty. That's the law of the land. The Great Society was the revolution. And I think it's clear it was a bad idea. These brilliant bastards have pull off a hell of a scam. Their very idea of forced conformity is right out of Fabian Socialism. And yet they call themselves conservatibes. So neither faction can look to closely at them cause they're looking at themselves.

When you say revolution, you're talking about throwing off that. I get that. I just get a little pissy over the idea that restoring the Constitution (not just a good idea, it's the law) as a revolutionary idea.

Power concedes nothing without a demand. The limit of oppression is determined by the extent of the endurance of the oppressed.
--Frederick Douglas

[Anonymous]

Don't you know you're talking about a revolution
 It sounds like a whisper
 Don't you know they're talking about a revolution
 It sounds like a whisper
 
 While they're standing in the welfare lines
 Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
 Wasting time in unemployment lines
 Sitting around waiting for a promotion
 
 Don't you know you're talking about a revolution
 It sounds like a whisper
 
 Poor people are gonna rise up
 And get their share
 Poor people are gonna rise up
 And take what's theirs
 
 Don't you know you better run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run
 Oh I said you better run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run
 
 Finally the tables are starting to turn
 Talking about a revolution
 Finally the tables are starting to turn
 Talking about a revolution oh no
 Talking about a revolution oh no
 
 While they're standing in the welfare lines
 Crying at the doorsteps of those armies of salvation
 Wasting time in unemployment lines
 Sitting around waiting for a promotion
 
 Don't you know you're talking about a revolution
 It sounds like a whisper
 
 And finally the tables are starting to turn
 Talking about a revolution
 Finally the tables are starting to turn
 Talking about a revolution oh no
 Talking about a revolution oh no
 Talking about a revolution oh no

- Tracy Chapman, "Talkin 'Bout a Revolution"

[Woof-a-Doof]

On 2005-06-23 17:41:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

" UG, as well as Nasagardat Maharshi, Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri H.W.L. Poonjaji,"

Woof-a-adoof, who are these people?  i began to read Krishnamurti after straight when i was already like 21 or 22 or somethin' and  really dug him. Buddhism too. Other ways too.   But i haven't heard of these other teachers you give creedence to. Who are they?  

UG Krishnamurti I found when doing a search for J Krishnamurti, I just fell across him. About the others, it might be best to think of them in a lineage. I personally see them as one in the same.

The lineage began with Ramana Maharshi who Nisargadatta Maharaj and Sri H.W.L. Poonjaji where ?students? of. Sri H.W.L. Poonjaji was the teacher of Gangaji with whom I have sat with in both Marin County California and in Crestone Colorado.

The history of these folks is immense in concept and action (or lack thereof). Like J  Krishnamurti they had one message and spoke the message in thousands of languages, spoke it from as many angles, but always said the same thing.  

That is?

Ask? Who am I?
Find out?Who/What I am not.
Realize?I am that...which I am not.
Abide in that which? I am.

Of course this is my own experience with this lineage. I have always found myself worthy of self investigation (ahem) easily the original question appealed to me. ?Who am I??

And so?.Hmm, I am not that which I think I am?

I can say, from my own experience, that the ONLY thing I know, with absolute certainty is that, I exist. All else is questionable at best, impermanent experience is the only experience ?I? have. The least common denominator in all of my experience is ?I? experienced and experience all that I encounter or that I miss. This ?I? (which I knew with absolute certainty knew/know exists) was a simple enough idea, and so a solitary (I don?t trust individuals that have the answer, and I am overwhelming suspicious of  the followers of the same ones that have the answer?probably the same ones that had the great idea of locking up the food) I digress?and so this solitary quest began. I read all the books, I sat with Gangaji?blah blah blah blah blah O blah de blah de da, oh and hey, I completed the 365 lessons in the book, A Course in Miracles.

Point is, when ?I? got it??I? was what I got (duh) and I was ok (at peace) with that. It happened like a ripe apple falls off the tree. No amount of searching, studying, practicing would have created or prevented what is not only possible, but inevitable. The rest, well I think of it as unnecessary suffering. A rather anti-climactic conclusion, considering time/effort involved?shit. As I said earlier, it?s just my experience.

Simplicity and the merely obvious are often things I do not experience, as a whole?yet when I hear or read words that leave me with no words, no comment, beyond stunned I know I have heard a truth. It?s really the only gage I have in knowing the ?truth?. This particular lineage brought me to silence, a stillness to my core. I can be as violent, or as passive as I want to be, or as active/inactive as I wanted to be, it did not effect that stillness?and that was and remains permanent. Now I forget this all the time, really, so I check to see. I am still that which I am?I am.            

There are websites and sites like our beloved FORNITS devoted to each of these folks. I don?t subscribe to the ?search? anymore. I called off the search?how could I in could conscious search for what I knew could never be lost in the first place. I don?t condemn or condone what any of them say and or don?t say?I don?t follow any ideology or individual. I have, and probably always will investigate, probably out of repetition I am not sure why other than idle curiosity. The urgency to do so lost much of its appeal. Lack of this energy/desire doesn?t negate ?I? am the one experiencing this and like any experience, it is impermanent.

The lineage as profoundly simplistic as it is , Black Elk, a Lakota Sioux elder said it very simply, ?Where east meets west, north meets south and up meets down is holy ground, the rest is sacred?

No, I don?t think you were ?singled out?, you like all of us have had the same experience. We each have our on spin on what happened, but there seems to be a general consensus there. I think you are fortunate to have read J Krishnamurti at 21-22 years old. Its always a good read once in a while. And yeah, he was able to articulate what I instinctively knew, but could not articulate. There was the same validation when I sat with Gangaji. I guess there is that need for validation, but really, it is like a fish in the gulf complaining because there is no water.

As a child with an  older brother that used the term ?Question Authority? I remember thinking as he did, about the ?establishment? or ?the man? etc. Now I know the authoritarian I need to question. Shakespeare said ?to thine own self be true?, I asked who is the self I need to be true to?  

[ This Message was edited by: Woof-a-Doof on 2005-06-26 10:46 ]

[starry-eyed pirate]

Thanks, Woof-a-doof, i've been reflecting on your words and trying to see your meanings. i would like to know more and will have to do some research.  i get the thing about the fishs' complaint but what is the difference in Black Elks' mind between "sacred" and "holy" ?
When i said "singled out" i think what i really meant was like i think that i drew a lot of heat from authority(you know, squeaky wheel gets the oil 'n' all) because i recognized the disease that they wanted to give me. The disease of mental slavery. The public school system is a social control mechanism. Most threats to the establishment, from the youth, can be brainwashed out from within the nationalistic public school system. This is how even in a "free" country/society the majority of the population will not question the motives of our government and think that oppression is freedom and freedom, oppression.  The school system operates under the pretext of providing the student with a practical education but in reality it is a brainwash institution designed to train the "student" to run on a wheel and generate income for the government(taxes). the public school system uses the same principles as straight, although straights' tactics are far more invasive and severe.  They each rely on fear and intimidation to manipulate the minds of the youth. Straight and the public school system are working together to isolate potential political agitators. If the school system fails to intimidate the "student" sufficiently into compliance with the babylon vampire system world view and the youth still think with their own minds, and understand that those who rely on fear as a tool to manipulte and usurp the autonomy of their consciousness(i am not sure if thats really the right word)are obviously delusional.  These youth who threaten the babylon vampire system with their insight, their right thought and their right action are then marked for elimination by mental breakdown-secret imprisonment in some part of America where the constitution is powerless. What a civics lesson that is !
Straight is the vice like grip of fear on the people.  Fear that is created  by the illusion of maya.  Fear that is created by the quest for security in a world which has none to offer.  Authority fears me because it knows i can see it as it really is: a perversion of justice born of fear and insecurity.
Authority is afraid i will tell the world what i see, what i know. Authority oppresses me because it knows who i am and i know that all their threats are hollow and all their power is a mirage.
i don't know...but i feel like i was isolated out and marked for a special brand of persecution by the system. i think that's more like what i meant by "singled out" Maybe it don't really matter even.
Woof-a-doof, what do you mean by "sat with Gangaji", are you talking about some kind of meditation or what.  i would like to know more.
-starry-eyed. :skull:

_________________
If you would have justice in this world, then begin to see that a human being is not a means to some end.  People are not commodities.  When human beings are just to one another government becomes obsolete and real freedom is born; SPIRITUAL ANARCHY.