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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2005, 11:33:00 AM »
June 7, 2005 latimes.com : Nation E-mail story   Print   Most E-Mailed  
 
THE NATION
Justices Rule U.S. Can Ban Medical Pot
The high court says federal anti-marijuana statutes override laws in California and other states that allow the plant's use to ease illness.

By David G. Savage, Times Staff Writer


WASHINGTON ? The Supreme Court on Monday upheld the federal government's power to seize and destroy marijuana that is used as medicine by seriously ill patients, ruling that strict federal drug laws trump California's liberalized policy on pot.

The Constitution makes the laws of the United States the "supreme law of the land," and "if there is any conflict between federal and state law, federal law shall prevail," Justice John Paul Stevens said for the court. It is up to Congress, he said, to change the law.

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The 6-3 decision did not seek to resolve the dispute over whether marijuana may be good medicine. Instead, the justices focused on whether the federal government could enforce its zero-tolerance policy on marijuana in the 10 states ? most of them in the West ? where voters or lawmakers had opted to legalize marijuana used for medical purposes.

The court's leading liberals sided with the Bush administration and its federal drug enforcers, while three of its more conservative members, including Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, joined the side of the California marijuana users to limit federal authority.

The decision weakens, but does not overturn, state laws that permit seriously ill people to use marijuana to relieve pain or nausea.

Federal drug agents, prosecutors and judges may arrest, try and punish those who grow or use marijuana, the court said, even in states where it is legal.

However, state and local police need not assist in those efforts. And since most law enforcement is carried out by state and local officials, the liberalized medical marijuana laws should continue to have practical significance.

But California Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer said the ruling showed "the vast philosophical difference between the federal government and Californians on the rights of patients?. Taking medicine on the recommendation of a doctor for a legitimate illness should not be a crime."

Federal law enforcement officials sought to dispel the idea that drug agents would be unleashed on marijuana-using patients in California and other states.

"The vast majority of our cases are against those involved in trafficking, and major cultivation and distribution," said Karen P. Tandy, head of the Drug Enforcement Administration. "I don't see any significant changes in DEA enforcement strategies after today's decision. We don't target sick and dying people."

However, the case before the court was brought by two ill California women, one of whom had her personal marijuana confiscated by federal agents.

Angel Raich, a brain tumor patient from Oakland, urged Congress on Monday to rethink its policy on marijuana.

"I'm in this battle, literally, for my life," she said after the ruling. She called on Congress to "stop federal raids on sick and dying patients?. I hope for myself, for my children and for other patients out there that our congressional leaders put compassion first. Our lives are literally in their hands."

A House bill is pending, sponsored by Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), that would permit physicians to prescribe marijuana as medicine. But it has been rejected several times in the past, and its chances of becoming law are seen as slim.

In the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, Congress classified marijuana as a dangerous and illegal drug that had no benefits. Though many experts dispute that conclusion, Congress has made no move to amend the law. The statute makes it illegal to import, manufacture, distribute, possess or use marijuana.

But in 1996, California voters approved a measure that said "seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes" if they have a recommendation from a physician. Since then, Alaska, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont and Washington have passed similar laws.

After the approval of those measures, cooperatives were set up to act as dispensaries for patients seeking marijuana. In 2001, however, the high court ruled that federal prosecutors could get court orders to shut down the operations.

The case decided Monday focused on patients who grew marijuana at home for their own use. It tested whether Congress' power to regulate "commerce among the states" extended to individuals who were not buying or selling marijuana.

Raich sued to defend her use of marijuana as medicine. She suffers from serious medical conditions, including an inoperable brain tumor, chronic back pain and muscle spasms. She and her doctor said that cannabis was uniquely effective in relieving her pain. She sued along with Diane Monson after drug enforcement agents raided Monson's Butte County home in 2002 and destroyed her marijuana plants.

Their lawyers argued that homegrown marijuana did not involve interstate commerce and therefore was beyond the authority of the federal government. They cited recent high court rulings that limited Congress' power on other matters.




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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2005, 01:34:00 PM »
I dont have a scrip and its illegal in my state..but  
I havent been without the plant since 1986
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2005, 03:23:00 PM »
gloating about it.

"The FARC is part of the history of Colombia and a historical phenomenon", (President Pastrana) says, "and they must be treated as Colombians". ... They come and ask for bread [aid from Washington], and you give them stones.

Robert White is a former American ambassador to Paraguay and El Salvador, and former No. 2 man with the U.S. Embassy in Bogota, is president of the Centre for International Policy in Washington D.C.
http://narconews.com/' target='_new'>Robert White

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2005, 03:39:00 PM »
so did you guys really think the government was gonna be cool just 'cause the voters had spoken?  I coulda told ya this was gonna happen.   America is over.  The fascist takeover was a success.  Your vote, and opinion, means nothing.  Welcome to the future.
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 04:10:00 PM »
well the supreme court doesn't act on the will of the people, they are supposed to interpret the constitution and the laws. Rational and Reasonable folk think the next step is to get Congress to pass new legislation. myself i don't know but Rational and Reasonable might just equal Damned Fool Who Ought To Be Stockpiling 'Stead of Wasting Time Trying. and to think, i feel a twinge of guilt yet for being such a pessimist!
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2005, 04:50:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-07 12:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"so did you guys really think the government was gonna be cool just 'cause the voters had spoken?  I coulda told ya this was gonna happen.   America is over.  The fascist takeover was a success.  Your vote, and opinion, means nothing.  Welcome to the future."


No, I do see some progress. This decision was an overturn of a 9th Circuit decision. So the 9th had already ruled against Fed imposing or enforcing law in conflict w/ State. And it wasn't a slam, either, it was a 6-3 split. That never would have happened even a couple of years ago.

And just look at the argument they wound up using. Essentially, the reason or excuse for allowing Fed enforcement in this case is to prevent competition w/ interstate trade in MJ. Talk about grasping at straws! At least on the point of MMJ, this is a last gasp. It's nearly over.

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2005, 05:25:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-07 10:34:00, linchpin wrote:

"I dont have a scrip and its illegal in my state..but  

I havent been without the plant since 1986
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  wow,   ain't your momma proud??
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2005, 05:49:00 PM »
Fuck Legalization.  How do you guys expect drug dealers to make a living??  Medical Marijuana is legal in Colorado and has become harder to find because of it.  Die hard pot smokers have scripts and can legally grow their own personal smoke.  So big pot growers don't bother distributing here anymore.  But you can get crack or speed on any street at any time because it's ILLEGAL.

Plus, if pot were legalized, companies like marlboro and camel will add a bunch of unnatural addictive chemicals to it.

The Federal Goverment is tring to keep it real and natural.  Do what they say or be killed.  Because George Bush is president and I'll have him bomb your fucking house.
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2005, 07:20:00 PM »
OK, RY, so then don't buy product from the big commercial growers and don't by bullshit from anybody who tries to fuck w/ our right to grow our own.

Simple.

Here's Salon's entre:

 Newshawk: Suzanne Wills
Pubdate: 7 June 05  
Source:  Salon
 Contact:   http://archive.salon.com/about/letters/index.html
 Website: http://www.salon.com
 Webpage:
 http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/20 ... index.html
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 This is an excellent summary of the current state of things, altho he may be too optimistic.  
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  Reefer madness: Is sanity breaking out?
Despite the Supreme Court's ruling against medical marijuana and a scary proposed snitch law, America may finally be awakening from its decades-long stupor about recreational drugs.

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By Silja J.A. Talvi
 
June 7, 2005  |  The battle over the war on drugs heated up several degrees on Monday when the Supreme Court, in a 6-3 decision, ruled that state laws allowing the medicinal use of marijuana don't protect patients from federal prosecution for use of a controlled substance, despite a doctor's orders. The case, Raich vs. Gonzales, was originally filed by two California women who smoke pot for medical reasons.
 
Medical marijuana advocates were quick to point out that although the ruling was a disappointment, it came with a surprising acknowledgment by the justices that medical marijuana users had made "strong arguments that they will suffer irreparable harm because, despite a congressional finding to the contrary, marijuana does have valid therapeutic purposes."
 
"While we're disappointed, the validity of state medical marijuana laws was never at issue in this case," said Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project in Washington, in a press statement. "The [state] medical marijuana laws ... will continue to protect patients from arrest by state and local authorities. Because [Drug Enforcement Agency] and other federal agents make only 1 percent of our nation's 750,000 marijuana arrests every year, patients in states with medical marijuana laws retain a high level of protection. Congress should act today to give those patients complete protection from arrest."
 
"In his opinion, Justice Stevens stressed the need for medical marijuana patients to use the democratic process, putting the ball in Congress' court," Kampia noted. "This is especially important now because next week, the U.S. House of Representatives will vote on an amendment that would prevent the federal government from spending funds to interfere with state medical marijuana laws."
 
The good news is that Kampia and other leaders of the drug-war reform movement represent an increasingly informed and politically savvy group -- including several members of Congress -- who have spent the past several years trying to do something about America's draconian drug laws. As a result of the Supreme Court's decision on Monday, they are stepping up efforts to draw attention to the Hinchey-Rohrabacher amendment, which will be considered this month as a part of an appropriations bill and, if passed, would prohibit the federal government from arresting, raiding or prosecuting patients who are abiding by state medical marijuana laws.
 
These reformers have also set their sights on another obviously needed legislative reform: repeal of the provision of the Higher Education Act that prohibits or delays the availability of financial aid to applicants with any drug-related misdemeanor or felony charge. The bill to repeal the provision (H.R. 1184), introduced by Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., this session, already has 66 cosponsors in the House. To date, the Drug Reform Coordinator Network estimates, at least 165,000 would-be students have been denied financial aid since the amendment took effect in 2000. If passed, the bill would represent the first full repeal of a federal drug law since 1970.
 
To Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., denying students financial aid because they were busted for drug use or sales at some point in their lives looks more like a mental illness on a large scale than anything akin to an efficacious response to substance abuse. "The idea that we're going to prohibit people from using drugs is just a falsehood; it's just time that we stop what we're doing and try something else," McDermott, a nine-term veteran of Congress, told me at a Perry Fund event in Seattle last week.
 
As for the possibility of legalizing, regulating and even taxing certain illegal drugs, even the most forward-thinking of drug-war reformers have tended to stay away from discussing the idea in public, lest it seem too "radical."
 
But on June 2, the legalization movement gained an unlikely set of supporters -- specifically relating to marijuana, the most popular Schedule I drug. More than 500 leading economists, led by Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman, called for the Bush administration to engage in "an open and honest debate about marijuana prohibition." Their move was in response to the release of a report on the budgetary implications of marijuana prohibition by Jeffrey Miron, a visiting professor at Harvard University. According to Miron's research, the legal regulation of cannabis would conservatively save $7.7 billion in law enforcement and criminal justice costs, while revenues for the government could range from $2.4 to $6.2 billion, depending on the type of taxation system.
 
Another radical leap forward in drug-policy reform came in Washington state in January 2005, when the King County Bar Association passed a resolution supporting the statewide legalization and regulation of psychoactive substances. The move followed a three-year period of intensive research into the historical, social, racial, legal, economic and fiscal considerations surrounding the drug war -- both in Washington state and throughout the United States. The resulting 145-page report, "Effective Drug Control: Toward a New Legal Framework," was hailed by a wide spectrum of mainstream organizations, including the Church Council of Greater Seattle, King County Medical Society, Washington State Psychiatric Association, Washington Society of Addiction Medicine, and Washington Academy of Family Physicians. And as a result, Democratic state Sen. Adam Kline is pushing for legislation to examine the possibility of a new legal framework for regulating illicit substances.
 
Other state bar associations (including those in Vermont, Oregon, Maryland and Hawaii) are beginning their own studies of revamped approaches to the drug war, according to Roger Goodman, director of the King County Bar Association's Drug Policy Project. The reverberations of the report have been tremendous, says Goodman, although he admits that getting gung-ho prosecutors and law enforcement onboard remains the biggest hurdle.
 
Aside from the need for legislative reform of drug laws, substance abuse treatment, special drug courts, and needle exchange and other forms of "harm reduction," activists point to the need for more-logical alternatives to the endless cycle of drug-related arrests and heavy-handed mandatory minimum sentences in the federal prison system. The inmate population has increased by 81 percent since 1995, and 55 percent of federal prisoners are incarcerated because of a drug offense, serving an average of three years and seven months. (For African-Americans, the average jumps dramatically to four years and nine months.)
 
Former prisoners with felony drug records can't access public housing, federal assistance for education, and many other social services, to say nothing of the permanent black mark against them when it comes to finding a job or getting back the right to vote. Is it any wonder that so many federal and state prisoners end up back in jail or prison?
 
The ridiculously costly war on the consumption of cannabis is clearly misdirected, as detailed in a May 2005 report by the Sentencing Project. Of the nearly 700,000 marijuana arrests in 2002, a shocking 88 percent were for simple possession. (The number of marijuana arrests far exceeds the number of arrests for murder, manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault combined.) And the Sentencing Project estimates that 27,000 men and women are currently locked up for a marijuana-related offense. Legalizing marijuana would be an appropriate start to a long-term vision based on rational fiscal and public health policy.
 
If we're so worried about our kids' experimentation with recreational drugs, why aren't we pouring our resources into providing accurate information about drugs (alcohol and cigarettes being not only the most commonly used but the most obviously damaging as well) and into effective treatment programs for those who develop a destructive habit?
 
Unfortunately, and this is the bad news, American drug policy is still being shaped by political rhetoric rather than fiscally or medically sound strategies for keeping people healthy and out of trouble. For the latest and most egregious evidence of that, look no further than H.R. 1528, introduced this session by Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., and named in classically Orwellian doublespeak as the Defending America's Most Vulnerable: Safe Access to Drug Treatment and Child Protection Act of 2005.
 
There hasn't been anything this scary in the already frightening reach of the American drug war in a long time. As written, this bill would create a new, three-year federal mandatory minimum for parents who witness or gain knowledge about drug activities happening around their kids and do not report what they know to the cops within 24 hours, or provide requested assistance to law enforcement in a resulting investigation, apprehension or prosecution. It would also create a 10-year mandatory minimum sentence for parents who commit a drug crime in or near the presence of their child, add a new five-year mandatory minimum sentence for anyone who sells drugs to someone who has ever been in treatment, and increase to five years the mandatory minimum for the sale of drugs within 1,000 feet of a school, library or drug treatment facility. That means just about anywhere in urban centers -- and especially in the concentrated inner cities.
 
The bill is fundamentally aimed at subverting important Supreme Court decisions about the unconstitutionality of federal sentencing guidelines by converting those guidelines into a new framework of mandatory minimums -- once again, with little or no judicial discretion possible.
 
Civil liberties groups like Families Against Mandatory Minimums, the ACLU, the Drug Reform Coordination Network and the Drug Policy Alliance are combining forces to raise awareness and prevent the bill from passing, but it's too early to say if their efforts will succeed.
 
Enough already. The ongoing war on drugs has reached into every echelon of society, dragging medicinal-pot smokers and would-be college students into the mix. And it has made the lives of millions of citizens more miserable than they ever would have been on their own as either recreational or habitual substance users. We certainly don't need another piece of regressive legislation to add to the damage by turning us into a nation of drug-war spies.
 
 

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« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2005, 06:40:00 PM »
Do you actually think I'm gonna read all that  ::bwahaha::   :lol:
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« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2005, 09:25:00 PM »
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On 2005-06-09 15:40:00, Reagan Youth wrote:

"Do you actually think I'm gonna read all that  ::bwahaha::   :lol:
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what RY said and what he really meant.


"do you think I'm gonna read all that?   I can't even focus enough to tie my shoes, let alone read a thoughtful post by a thoughtful person; read, Christ, I can't even walk and chew gum at the same time. . . "
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« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2005, 11:11:00 PM »
Reagan youth, too busy with scoring some meth to learn how to read.


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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2005, 03:44:00 PM »
CHOREBOY

Hardcore punk and I parted ways at a Dicks show sometime in 1980 when I was hit in the face with the studded wristband of a slamdancer. At that moment, the fun was over for me - I preferred the Pogo - but all those memories came thundering home to me at Choreboy. Trouble was brewing before the band even took the stage, as vocalist Phil Owen taunted the club's security guards while checking the mikes. In a flash, one tattooed guy jerked Owen off the stage onto the club's concrete floor while a second guy, a ponytail in a security T-shirt, stood with his boot on Owen's chest to the horrifying dismay of the band's audience, wives, and friends. Owen wrested his way back onstage and Choreboy cranked up with "I'm Not Sorry," dedicated, of course, to the club security. He continued the baiting and in mid-song, Ponytail responded by charging from sidestage and punching Owen in the jaw as the bassist brought his guitar down on Ponytail's neck while both slid back onto the floor. Moments later, Owen sprang back on his feet chant-singing "I think I've had a bad day... Mommy, I've had a bad day..." following it up with "Dicks Hate Police." No shit, I thought - hell, this was only the second song. "Ain't nothing like a boot sandwich to lighten things up," sneered Owen by way of intro for "Bury Me in Texas." For "Bust Your Ass," Owen, pacing the stage like a jungle cat, growled, "It sure is lonely up here without a boot to my throat," and I could see exposed skin on the back of his head from one of his plummets to the floor. Meanwhile, guitarist Chris Gates is chunking chords of punk muscle into the audience against the band's relentless outpouring of "Stay Out All Night," "Alternative to What?" and "Skinheads." Suddenly, "Fun Fun Fun" segues into "The Eyes of Texas," and Owen's at it again, questioning the security guards' sexual orientation in graphic terms and the atmosphere grows tense again. Choreboy then breaks into "Chemical," and as soon as it ends, Owen stalks off stage, screaming "No more!" at Ponytail, who has met him on the side of the stage, camps forming to separate the two. Damn. I was really hoping to hear "Rub It Raw," but the adrenaline rush was enough to send me back out under a sky so dark and shiny it looked like black leather. - Margaret Moser
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