Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Mission Mountain School
forced child labor camp
katfish:
LOL- DJ that was funny. Ok, for those who don't know, BF skinner suumary below-
Skinners theories are completely depressing- I read somewhere that Harvard students were getting very depressed after studying Skinner (really!) LOL
http://maxweber.hunter.cuny.edu/pub/ere ... story.html
B.F. Skinner's Contributions
Skinner, the greatest behavioral psychologist of all time, is known as the "father" of operant conditioning. He rejected the idea of inner causes for behavior, and placed emphasis on observable behavior as opposed to the theorizing, based on unverifiable evidence, often done by others. He discovered that whether a response to a stimulus continues to occur depends on the consequence that follows that behavior. The promptness of administration of that consequence is also important (more timely consequences have a greater effect). He also experimented with different "schedules of reinforcement" (see below), and devised a procedure known as "shaping" (see below
Troll Control:
This is why the statement I quoted below is so completely laughable.
Behaviorism, in relation to humans, is a dead ideology. It doesn't work.
In complex organisms, like people, it is necessary to change thought patterns (cognitions) to make effective, LONG TERM behavior changes.
Sure, put a kid in a modified Skinner Box, i.e. RTC, BMW, WTP, etc., and you'll get a kid that quickly learns to behave "correctly" within the framework of that PARTICULAR environment.
Unfortunately, the "new" behaviors are specific to ONLY THAT ENVIRONMENT, and are quickly extinguished when the "subject" is removed from the environment in which the desired behaviors were reinforced.
The other problem with this type of program, is that they don't use "positive reinforcement," i.e. rewarding desired behaviors, but rather "negative reinforcement," i.e. the REMOVAL of an UNPLEASANT STIMULUS upon the completion of the desired behavior.
The staff literally terrorizes the child into submission and never lets up until the "undesirable" behavior is no longer exhibited.
The problem with negative reinforcement is twofold. One, it, like positive reinforcement, has only a short-term, environment-specific effect, and two, it works even less well than positive reinforcement, which, as shown by literally volumes of research, doesn't provide any significant change over time.
So, these BM techniques, simply put, foster behavior changes that are both environment specific and short-term.
So, anon poster, please do edify the rest of us how BM is "legitimate therapy." Am I just missing something, or are you privy to groundbreaking research that shows BM to be on par with or superior to cognitive therapy, or perhaps rational-emotive therapy?
Please educate us.
katfish:
--- Quote ---On 2005-08-16 07:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"They aren't unlicensed... they have a group of licensed staff around to 'treat' these disorders. They have PHds and masters in psychiatry, and couseling... so get off your god damned high horses and SHUT UP. this place is legit so GET OFF IT."
--- End quote ---
can you even get a masters in psychiatry? lol
Dj, well said!! Waygookin, :rofl: [ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2005-08-17 10:12 ]
Troll Control:
No, Kat, you cannot get a "Master's of Psychiatry." There's no such thing. A psychiatrist, by definition, is a MEDICAL DOCTOR. So, this is an MD, not an MA OR PhD.
Also, there's no such thing as a "Master's in Counseling" either. One can be an MSW, like me, or an MA in Psychology.
This is one IGNORANT BLOWHARD you're dealing with here.
Yeah, that program sounds REALLY legitimate. They go one step further than phony diplomas, they invent new DEGREES. :roll:
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Anonymous:
you guys are all fucking annoying
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