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« on: September 23, 2003, 07:31:00 PM »
THEY DID A GREAT TRUTHFUL SHOW. WONDER WHY WWASPS HAD NO COMMENT?  NARVIN IN HANDCUFFS. I HAVE COMPASSION FOR THAT TEXAS FAMILY. WOW WHAT SHE WENT THORUGH.
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2003, 07:56:00 PM »
Awesome!!  More, More!!!
How clever to go in as an interested parent.

What I noticed was Narv's response regarding allegations of abuse.
Paraphrase: No kid has ever acused me of abuse.

Well, hell no. It's his hired hands that carry out the abuse. Remaining distant allows him to be deceptive and makes lying without showing guilt easier. What do you want to bet he pleads that he was not aware of the abuse, when the rubber meets the road?

And how bout all those parents who have never visited the facilty? Wonder what they thought when they got a look at the facilty. Looked like a prisoner of war camp to me. I know what these places are capable of and I was even surprised.

Those that support this are just out of their minds. That clip needs to be sent to any parent who goes to a message board looking for a program.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2003, 08:11:00 PM »
::puke::

No way was Ryan even close to being believable!  What a crock!  He didn't even look convincing when he was talking - he saw what everyone, including parents see, when they go to Casa and he denied it!   :???: Might just burst the bubble on his film career?

The concentration camp thing wasn't even a wwasps place - what's up with that?

Dundee is closed, so ... it means nothing to me to see it after the chaos other than it probably looked a lot better prior to the destruction.

The motivation is clear....let's shut them down and send them to other schools that have the same allegations that just aren't reported on.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2003, 08:20:00 PM »
actually not to be mean, the show didn't need ryan and he did look fake. he wasnt even credible. i agree with anon, that texas family were real and honest. really, ryan didnt say anythign anyway. oh, that isnt true.  either way, the truth is coming out with or without ryan. wwasps will get exactly what is due them.
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« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2003, 08:21:00 PM »
wasnt the kids in cages high impact???  that was closed????
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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2003, 08:22:00 PM »
oh yea deb, narvin doesnt hurt kids he hires help for that. so true. who does he think he is kidding. wonder where there pr team is now?
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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2003, 08:47:00 PM »
**He didn't even look convincing when he was talking - he saw what everyone, including parents see, when they go to Casa and he denied it!  

What he, and we, saw through the hidden camera was what prospective parents see. It's been alledged numerous times that there is a big clean up before a parent arrives. What he said was that it was bullshit. He may have never seen it that good. It's unfortunate that they didn't do more of an interview with him.

Depends on what your looking and listening for. How bout the concern regarding how many bunks were crammed into that small space? 15 beds. Narv said they only ever had 12, max. Then why not take out the extra beds and make some more breathing room for the 12? Use that sq footage for chest of drawers.

I would guess that one of the reasons they don't want to be licensed in Ca. (or anywhere for that matter)- there are minimum requirements for space, so many sq ft per participant, storage space for clothes and personal items, etc. That cuts into profit.
This guy is raking in the dough. Parents may pay less for WWASP programs, and now we see why.
Ghetto conditions, untrained staff= less "tuition".
Do any of the brochures show pictures of the inside of the facilty?

**The concentratin camp thing wasn't even a wwasps place - what's up with that?

How do you know this? Who are you and why should anyone believe you?
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2003, 09:34:00 PM »
I couldn't watch the show and don't have a clue what anybody is talking about.  Would someone be kind enough to summarize the show? The bits and pieces are very interesting but hard to put into perspective.  I went to the Ryan F. website but couldn't get the "clip" to work.  Anybody else have this problem?
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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2003, 09:38:00 PM »
Inside Edition said they contacted wwasps and wwasps refused to comment - which makes no sense if they knew they would be raked through the mud on national tv.

Deborah - my take is that Narvin showed the reporter around after all the destruction.  He said they normally have 12 bunks, so it's possible they moved beds from another area while they were repairing...just a thought.

It's common knowledge that parents are at Casa by the Sea on a daily basis, so whatever Ryan was talking about - for the parents - seems to be a desperate attempt to discredit what the "parent" filmed. I do agree that they need to lower the enrollment to be crowded looking.  

I would have liked to have heard from parents and graduates of Casa, and also from some others from Dundee Ranch on their experiences.  It wasn't enough to convince me the girl from Texas was truthful.  Her mother obviously was distraught and made for a convincing story. Tears have a way of doing that sometimes.

It's also common knowledge that High Impact was never wwasps, but they sent kids there for a wake up call - and it mostly worked...bad call, though.  High Impact was open to everyone, not just wwasps kids from what I've read in the past, true or not?

I don't know...maybe never will, but I think the story did more good than harm - thanks to Ryan. :wink:
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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2003, 09:59:00 PM »
High Impact? Common know it was not WWASPS? ARe you sure? They only had WWASPS kids, the marketing arm was WWASPS programs, something doesnt smell right. Either way, deep down WWASPS is there somewhere and it was closed. Just one of 7 to date. But yes, still believe they are good. Pleeeezzzzeeeee....

I will agree Ryan is not a good candidate for either side. I hate to say he isnt credible but IMHO, he isn't. I agree with Anon, he didnt have much to say either. Is that why he has just a cameo shot in his movie?  I didnt hear a word about lead plaintiff, just he maybe part of a lawsuit.  He tried. He is young.
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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2003, 10:10:00 PM »
Regarding Ryan...



I hate to say it...but I TOLDJA SOOOOO
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2003, 10:22:00 PM »
***Deborah - my take is that Narvin showed the reporter around after all the destruction. He said they normally have 12 bunks, so it's possible they moved beds from another area while they were repairing...just a thought.

Get the transcript. The interviewer commented on how crowded it was, pointing out that there were 15 beds. Narv didn't say they had extras in there. He said that yes, there were 15, but they never had over 12 kids in there at a time.

***It's common knowledge that parents are at Casa by the Sea on a daily basis

It's common knowledge to Who? How many parents drive or fly to Mexico everyday to see their teen? How many ever even visit except perhaps for graduation? How many enroll their teens without viewing the facility, like the Houston woman in the piece? I don't believe parents are in there everyday unless they are volunteers working there who support the status quo.
Bet there's a few making airlines reservations tonight.

Yep, mothers and fathers can be distraught when they learn that they *ucked up and sent their kids to be abused.

RE: The Hi Impact/WWASP Connection
Another of the Illusions

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives/2001/8/np4.html
Aug 2001 HIGH IMPACT BOOT CAMP Baja California, Mexico
Dwayne Lee, Admissions Coordinator ? Parent Resources Hotline
Hurricane, Utah 800-793-5156
[I called their web site number to ask some questions about the Parent Resources Hotline, identifying myself as an educational consultant. The person answering the phone informed me he was only authorized to send a packet of information and did not answer any of my questions. The packet I received included a photocopy of a letter from Dwayne Lee of Parent Resources Hotline, a Sample Daily Schedule for WWASP Programs, a brochure for High Impact, a Video Tape and a brochure for the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs: Casa by the Sea, Carolina Springs Academy, Cross Creek Academy, Spring Creek Lodge and Tranquility Bay. Apparently Parent Resources Hotline exclusively markets High Impact and WWASP programs.-Lon]

The audiotape sent with the promotional packet consisted of a number of testimonials by parents and ex-students, mostly, however, apparently referring to the long-term WWASP programs rather than High Impact. A price list was included for the various WWASP programs, but none for High Impact.
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And the HI website. There is no link to "About Us". No mention of staff, who they are, or anything... all that's there is a little about HI and links to all the WWASP programs.
http://www.parentresources.net/bootcamp ... tCamp.html

28 Day High Impact Program
90 Day Boot Camp
Tranquility Bay
Renowned Specialty Boarding Schools
Casa by the Sea
Carolina Springs Academy
Spring Creek Lodge
Cross Creek Manor
Streaming Videos
Parent Resource Video
World Wide Association Video
Parent Resource Booklets
How to deal with defient teens
How to tell if your teen is using drugs
Copyright © 2001 Parent Recources Hotline
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2003, 10:43:00 PM »
Hey, how do you know what Narvin didn't say?  It looked plenty edited to me.  Whatever...

You haven't convinced me that High Impact was wwasps.  You've stated that Parent Resources exclusively marketed High Impact, along with wwasps programs.  Why didn't the other marketing companies..Teen Help, etc., market High Impact if it was wwasps.  It wasn't.  

Mom was crying because she believed her troubled teen yet again.  

It just doesn't wash...too one sided, but good for the cause anyway.  Maybe we can get other to believe it ...dunno!  We can sure give it a shot!

And, yes I do believe there are parents at Casa by the Sea everyday.  It's only a short drive from San Diego.  So, why not.
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2003, 10:46:00 PM »
KEEP BELIEVING ANON IF IT MAKES YOU SLEEP BETTER. TOO BAD THE KIDS CANT SLEEP IN PEACE.  YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE.  SO IS A JOB AT RISK, OR THE POSSIBILITY YOU MADE A MISTAKE AS A PARENT?
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2003, 11:04:00 PM »
His response regarding the crowded sleeping quarters was not edited for god's sake- it was real clear and there were no gaps between the question and response. Even at 12, it was TOO MANY for that size room. Most states require something like a minimum of 80 sq ft. Did you see ANY personal effects? Where were their clothes (uniforms), shoes, pictures of family. For all intents and purposes, its a concentration camp.

Too one-sided? Narv declined. I'm sure they would've given him equal time and probably put on some of his groupies had he responded. Perhaps he was afraid he'd have to answer difficult questions on national TV?
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