Comparisons which dont involve death counts

[RobertBruce]

Guess that would just be too harsh for even the most angry and sadistic parent.

Not for Cindy it wouldnt.

[Troll Control]

TheWho said:

"Sounds like they have beefed up there academics."

Oh, the irony.

[Troll Control]

If the kids safety and best interest was really at the forefront of these places they would do this on their own. It wouldnt even be a question they would simply be forthright with the state from the get go and allow regulation and oversight because as you say, "It is good for the kids." Instead these places avoid regulation like the plauge, lie to the state, and search for any possible loop hole to avoid regulation. Why? Because they dont give a shit about the kids, its all about the money.

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

If the obviousness of this is lost on TheWho, he's in worse shape than I had estimated earlier...

Robert, you're right on.  It's axiomatic that if the best interest of the kids were the driving force behind program policies that there would be complete transparency to parents and the state.  In fact, it's the opposite.  

If programs like ASR are so good, then why the heck are they hiding what they do from every single interested party?

[TheWho]

Deborah wrote:

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who? How can they claim to care about the kids and avoid regulations that would prohibit certain aspects of their abusive "treatment"?

Yes but oversight applies to all, not just schools who are trying to hide something.  If a kid doesn?t want to take his drivers test it doesn?t mean he is a bad driver.  Sure they could be hiding something or they may not be.  If they are hiding something they would not want to be regulated and if they are not hiding anything they would not want to be regulated either.

I don?t call OSHA up to come inspect my place every 3 months.  If they call me and say they are going to miss their normal inspection I don?t get upset.  I adhere to all the rules I don?t have time to have someone walk them around, take a man off the job.  We have nothing to hide but its a lot of work and for us it is no value added because we do a good job anyway.

[Troll Control]

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who?

Oh, Deb, you make me laugh.  If you were talking about the "make a referral to ASR despite all the evidence that they are abusive to children" movement, TheWho would spearhead it!

[RobertBruce]

If a kid doesn?t want to take his drivers test it doesn?t mean he is a bad driver

Yes but if he wants to follow the law he will, good driver or not.

Whatsmore, he should not advertise himself as a licensed or obeying the law if he isnt.

Yet you seem to have no problem with these places doing just that.

More proof that you are just a brainwashed puppet.

[TheWho]

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who? How can they claim to care about the kids and avoid regulations that would prohibit certain aspects of their abusive "treatment"?

Let me give you a different example:
  If DSS called you up and said they are starting a new procedure and would like to come over your house every other Thursday and talk to your kids, inspect their rooms etc. (maybe 2 hours max)  You would need to take time off of work to do this and get the kids home.

If you found out about this would you be the first in line to sign up?
 If someone told you if you told DSS ?No? they would not call you back for another year because they are short staffed and you could put it off, would you?


By accepting, would this make you a better parent and benefit the kids?  
By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

[Troll Control]

No, the question is "Would you lie and say you have no kids?" or "Would you lie and say you don't provide parenting at your home, just lodging?"  

Because this is what TBS's do: They lie to regulating bodies for the express purpose of avoiding their scrutiny which would necessarily lead to regulation.

Bad analogy, Who.  No surprises there!

[TheWho]

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who? How can they claim to care about the kids and avoid regulations that would prohibit certain aspects of their abusive "treatment"?

Let me give you a different example:
  If DSS called you up and said they are starting a new procedure and would like to come over your house every other Thursday and talk to your kids, inspect their rooms etc. (maybe 2 hours max)  You would need to take time off of work to do this and get the kids home.

If you found out about this would you be the first in line to sign up?
 If someone told you if you told DSS ?No? they would not call you back for another year because they are short staffed and you could put it off, would you?


By accepting, would this make you a better parent and benefit the kids?  
By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

 Avoiding the questions yourself, just like you claim schools do to regulation..... Hmmmm

See, DJ, by avoiding my questions should that make me suspicious that there is some abuse in your household?  Does it make you a bad parent?

[Troll Control]

By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

For fuck's sake, Who, these are our kids in our home.

How in the world do you draw a parallel with this scenario and "TBS" where kids are often forcibly removed from their homes to be sent to another state to be watched and raised by strangers?

Doesn't it stand to reason that if these strangers are watching and raising our kids in exchange for fees that someone should be watching them?  That they should be accountable for their actions?  That they deliver the services promised?  That they are operating in accordance with the law?

You're out in left field here, Who.

[RobertBruce]

You're an idiot, he's pointing out to you that youre using a faulty analogy, youre just too stupid to understand.


Here I'll answer your stupid and questions and then  improve upon your faulty analogy and maybe then you can understand, but I doubt it.

Let me give you a different example:
If DSS called you up and said they are starting a new procedure and would like to come over your house every other Thursday and talk to your kids, inspect their rooms etc. (maybe 2 hours max) You would need to take time off of work to do this and get the kids home.

I wouldnt like it, but if the consequences could mean losing my kids of course I would do it without a moments hesitation. You not giving a shit about your own kids or anyone elses wouldnt understand this.

If you found out about this would you be the first in line to sign up?

First? I dont know about that, as I said I probably wouldnt like it, but I would still sign up regardless.

 

If someone told you if you told DSS ?No? they would not call you back for another year because they are short staffed and you could put it off, would you?

No, because eventually they will catch up with me and that would make the consequences that much worse.

By accepting, would this make you a better parent and benefit the kids?

Yes.

By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

Yes.

[Troll Control]

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who? How can they claim to care about the kids and avoid regulations that would prohibit certain aspects of their abusive "treatment"?

Let me give you a different example:
  If DSS called you up and said they are starting a new procedure and would like to come over your house every other Thursday and talk to your kids, inspect their rooms etc. (maybe 2 hours max)  You would need to take time off of work to do this and get the kids home.

If you found out about this would you be the first in line to sign up?
 If someone told you if you told DSS ?No? they would not call you back for another year because they are short staffed and you could put it off, would you?


By accepting, would this make you a better parent and benefit the kids?  
By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

 Avoiding the questions yourself, just like you claim schools do to regulation..... Hmmmm

See, DJ, by avoiding my questions should that make me suspicious that there is some abuse in your household?  Does it make you a bad parent?

What the hell are you talking about?  Those questions are idiotic and I addressed them in my previous post.

See, your scenario is hypothetical and the chances of its transpiring are zero.

In my scenario, exact, real world observations are used, not some hypothetical mumbo-jumbo.

What you're asking is like me asking you "When are you going to stop beating your grandmother?"

I've seen before how disjointed and detached from reality your thinking is, but now you say that because I didn't answer one of your lame hypotheticals quickly enough for your pleasure that I abuse children in my home?  

You're fucking crazy.

[Troll Control]

Avoiding the questions yourself, just like you claim schools do to regulation

One, I answered your question.  Two, I never said there was avoidance of questioning by TBS's; I said they lie when questioned.  They have to answer/respond to inquiries or risk a full investigation, so they lie to regulators.

Once again you have used a completely retarded analogy by which to draw a false conclusion and to launch an ad hominem by calling me a child abuser.  Let's not forget who sent his kid to be abused by proxy now, Who.  If I were going to abuse someone, I'd have the balls to do it myself, not hire some treatment thugs to do it for me.

[TheWho]

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who? How can they claim to care about the kids and avoid regulations that would prohibit certain aspects of their abusive "treatment"?

Let me give you a different example:
  If DSS called you up and said they are starting a new procedure and would like to come over your house every other Thursday and talk to your kids, inspect their rooms etc. (maybe 2 hours max)  You would need to take time off of work to do this and get the kids home.

If you found out about this would you be the first in line to sign up?
 If someone told you if you told DSS ?No? they would not call you back for another year because they are short staffed and you could put it off, would you?


By accepting, would this make you a better parent and benefit the kids?  
By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

 Avoiding the questions yourself, just like you claim schools do to regulation..... Hmmmm

See, DJ, by avoiding my questions should that make me suspicious that there is some abuse in your household?  Does it make you a bad parent?

What the hell are you talking about?  Those questions are idiotic and I addressed them in my previous post.

See, your scenario is hypothetical and the chances of its transpiring are zero.

In my scenario, exact, real world observations are used, not some hypothetical mumbo-jumbo.

What you're asking is like me asking you "When are you going to stop beating your grandmother?"

I've seen before how disjointed and detached from reality your thinking is, but now you say that because I didn't answer one of your lame hypotheticals quickly enough for your pleasure that I abuse children in my home?  

You're fucking crazy.

Ha,Ha, so you get mad and don?t answer my questions and avoid them, resort to other questions that you like better (avoid regulation? I see a parallel as do the readers).  I should assume you don?t want DSS to come over to your house to visit then.  Should we assume abuse?

I think I made my point,  you just acted out what the TBS go thru.  They may avoid regulation (as you did my questions and tried to steer us to your questions) and that comes to my point.

Does it make them a bad school or does it conclude they are trying to hide something?

No

Does the fact that you evaded my questions about DSS coming to visit you make you a bad parent?


No we cant conclude that either.

[Deborah]

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who? How can they claim to care about the kids and avoid regulations that would prohibit certain aspects of their abusive "treatment"?

Let me give you a different example:
  If DSS called you up and said they are starting a new procedure and would like to come over your house every other Thursday and talk to your kids, inspect their rooms etc. (maybe 2 hours max)  You would need to take time off of work to do this and get the kids home.

If you found out about this would you be the first in line to sign up?
 If someone told you if you told DSS ?No? they would not call you back for another year because they are short staffed and you could put it off, would you?

By accepting, would this make you a better parent and benefit the kids?  
By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

I take your non response as a No, you won't be advocating for ASR to be properly licensed and regulated by the state, because you believe it would add no value?