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It's not just the consultants. THEY ALL ARE. The sick thing is that only damage is done by these programs. NO GOOD. Destroying lives for profit.

People are joining cult-like groups and are too brainwashed to notice. Some people will go along with anything as long as they think everyone else thinks they are doing the right thing. Having the "groups" approval is very important. Stubborn following fools on a path of greedy destruction. Like the Pied Piper.

It's sickening to know that this has been going on for over two decades and nothing has been done. So many traumatized lives that never recovered in those years and still are trying. Lives that were supposed to have been "saved." Just heart breaking. :cry:

Thank you so much for your point of view.
What makes this a moral issue is that the man she loves, she can not have, so she is settling for someone she doesn't love. I find it to be very sad. It is like she is giving up on her own happiness, settling, and sacrificing her happiness for her child?s and her child?s father, whom she has not been with romantically for years, and who she has admitted has abused her, even when she was pregnant...It's almost impossible to touch that subject without sounding offensive to her I'm afraid..

 She is not a Catholic, but she is obsessed with Catholicism, and the 7 deadly sins. Her beliefs make me uncomfortable. Our political views are different too. Sometimes our phone conversations are strange and filled with uncomfortable silences. She sees her marriage as a sacrifice of herself for her daughter and her daughter's dad...It's kind of weird. I also think she may have an eating disorder, because of her particular fascination with GLUTTONY, and the fact that it seems like she starves herself. She?s absolutely teeny tiny.

She doesn?t sleep with her fiancé, he has a separate bedroom, instead she sleeps with the daughter every night. The daughter is 9 now. The man she loves is dead. She was never even with him! I'm not really sure if she knows what love is. I worry about her, but have no idea how to help her. It?s frustrating. I really care about her and her daughter a lot. Our children are like family.

 In Straight we are taught to confront people whose views were different than what was considered 'correct', and I know I don?t want to do that.I don't believe in one right and one wrong, but it's hard when you know your friend is not happy.

 Thought I?d throw that out there as a topic. It seems like there have been a lot of moral issues all over this board lately. Probably always will be I guess. Thought I?d see where this one stood with anyone. Thanks for the comments, I?d love to hear more. Sorry if this is to lengthly a rant! Relationships can be so complicated... people can be so complicated....I've spoken my mind. Good night.

Aphro~

Thanks for that Tampa survivor. And to answer your question; No, she doesn't take the lead in everything. She's not pushy at all, I'm the pushier one! Our friendship goes back over ten years. I just really don't want to hurt her feelings. Also, I've pictured myself raising my hand at her wedding when the officiant asks, "If there is anyone here who finds reason these two should not be joined..." and I'm supposed to be her maid of honor!  I'd never really do that, but how can I stand up for her?
This is really hard for me.

Aphro~

[ This Message was edited by: Aphrodite on 2003-04-14 15:25 ]

Do your own personal beliefs have any impact on who you decide to be friends  with?  
This may not sound that serious, but I have a friend  who?s beliefs differ drastically from mine.  My dilemma is, she came to the conclusion that she was going to be my Maid of Honor in my wedding this year, even though I didn?t ask her to be.  Anyhow, she has also asked me to be hers, and I accepted. Even though I disagree with the person she?s choosing to marry, because I think she?s marrying him for the wrong reasons. I really feel uncomfortable with her being mine, because I don?t really feel like we are that close, and I feel uncomfortable around her because of her beliefs. I don?t know what to do. Is telling her honestly how I feel the best way to handle this?

You are probably wondering, what the heck does this have to do with being in Straight. Well, Straight altered the way my mind decides to do things in the real world sometimes. I don't believe that "anything goes" in the name of honesty. But I also don't believe in not being forward with people, but this one is a tuffy.

Any thoughts?

Aphro~    ::