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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / 5K reward for info
« on: June 27, 2006, 07:51:00 PM »
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On 2006-06-27 16:33:00, Milk Gargling Death Penalty wrote:

"Actually the best way out is through.



No, not through the program's levels. That's a joke.



The best way to get out is to perform some act of unimaginable violence that they can't possibly keep you in after that. Biting someone as hard as you possibly can will probably work, particularly if it's done out of the clear blue sky. Thumbs in eyeballs also will likely work. Sharp objects are better. Don't fuck around. Drive them blind.



You might get sent to jail, but jail's better."

Actually this isn't a very good idea.  Most the kids that hit "zero tolerance" don't get sent home, but get sent to an even worse place...Tranquility Bay.  Almost every kid that I saw get booted out of SCL went there or to another program.  Very few went home.  I guess if your idea of a better place is the hell hole called TB, then go for it.  We actually had one kid that did try the biting thing.  He was just a little bitty guy, but he could bite like hell!  He was sent to Jamaica and as far as I know is still there.  The staff he bit several times is still working at SCL.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / 5K reward for info
« on: June 27, 2006, 02:23:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-26 20:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-06-26 16:31:00, Irish Mom wrote:


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On 2006-06-26 14:02:00, Anonymous wrote:



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On 2006-06-26 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:




"You must have missed this post by a former SCL employee. Fact is, they drop kids for financial and arbitrary reasons, nice try, though. :wave:









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On 2006-06-24 23:01:00, Irish Mom wrote:





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On 2006-06-24 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:






"To the Anon poster who seems to know how the WWASP programs operate:






Would adult staff make the decision to drop a Jr. Staff back down to level l ?"










This is also a tactic used to keep kids in the program longer and milk their folks for more money.  I've seen kids hit level 6 and be dropped for a totally bogus reason.  Some Family Reps are notorious for this, because they get a bonus depending upon their numbers.  Cliff Payne is the biggest ass about doing this.  He gets off on the power he has to do this at his whim."




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Maybe she's a former employee because she doesn't have a clue. Was she fired? Why did she work there for a year if she thought it was so awful? Cliff P. wasn't even a family rep. "







Just because I'm a former employee doesn't mean I was fired and how do you know how long I was or wasn't there unless this is someone who still works there just being an asshole troll?  I've also explained before why I stayed as long as I did and I don't feel I need to justify it to someone that posts anonymously.  Why don't you come out and say who you are?





Anyway, I never said Cliff was a Family Rep.  I said he was the biggest ass for dropping kids for no reason.  You, as the SCL employee that I think you are, should know this.  The kids are afraid of crossing the "little red faced prick" as he is known to them, for fear of getting dropped.  


Crawl back under your bridge ya nasty troll!"




Were you this vindictive to the kids? Tsk, tsk."


Want to explain what was "vindictive" about anything I said?  What's the matter, can't handle a little truth about your employer?

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / 5K reward for info
« on: June 27, 2006, 02:21:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-26 20:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yep, you explained you more-or-less stayed for the money, and that you don't come forward to protect the kids still beging abused there, because--why was it? You're protecting your own kid. Think that was it, huh concerned MOM?"

Oh yeah...I stayed for the money.  What a laugh!  Since you work there you should know that the money sucks!  If you work group living you only make around $7.50 an hour, and for the work that's expected of you that's nothing.  Besides, I never said I stayed for the money.

 What do you mean I'm "protecting my own kid"?  Isn't that what parents are supposed to do?  Oh wait that's only when you DON'T put your kids in a place like Spring Creek.  By the way, what have you done lately to protect the kids still being abused there?  You have no idea what I'm doing about it so shut the fuck up.

Geez, for a person that isn't a program grad and isn't an SCL employee you sure seem to know a lot about how the program runs and who it's staff are...hmmm...I still think you're a fucking troll or someone still working there...same thing.

Why is it that the ones that talk so much shit on here and are so critical of others always post anonymously.  Makes ya wonder.   :???:

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / 5K reward for info
« on: June 26, 2006, 07:31:00 PM »
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On 2006-06-26 14:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-06-26 09:25:00, Anonymous wrote:


"You must have missed this post by a former SCL employee. Fact is, they drop kids for financial and arbitrary reasons, nice try, though. :wave:





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On 2006-06-24 23:01:00, Irish Mom wrote:



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On 2006-06-24 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:




"To the Anon poster who seems to know how the WWASP programs operate:




Would adult staff make the decision to drop a Jr. Staff back down to level l ?"






This is also a tactic used to keep kids in the program longer and milk their folks for more money.  I've seen kids hit level 6 and be dropped for a totally bogus reason.  Some Family Reps are notorious for this, because they get a bonus depending upon their numbers.  Cliff Payne is the biggest ass about doing this.  He gets off on the power he has to do this at his whim."


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Maybe she's a former employee because she doesn't have a clue. Was she fired? Why did she work there for a year if she thought it was so awful? Cliff P. wasn't even a family rep. "


Just because I'm a former employee doesn't mean I was fired and how do you know how long I was or wasn't there unless this is someone who still works there just being an asshole troll?  I've also explained before why I stayed as long as I did and I don't feel I need to justify it to someone that posts anonymously.  Why don't you come out and say who you are?

Anyway, I never said Cliff was a Family Rep.  I said he was the biggest ass for dropping kids for no reason.  You, as the SCL employee that I think you are, should know this.  The kids are afraid of crossing the "little red faced prick" as he is known to them, for fear of getting dropped.  
Crawl back under your bridge ya nasty troll!

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / 5K reward for info
« on: June 25, 2006, 02:01:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-24 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"To the Anon poster who seems to know how the WWASP programs operate:

Would adult staff make the decision to drop a Jr. Staff back down to level l ?"

This is also a tactic used to keep kids in the program longer and milk their folks for more money.  I've seen kids hit level 6 and be dropped for a totally bogus reason.  Some Family Reps are notorious for this, because they get a bonus depending upon their numbers.  Cliff Payne is the biggest ass about doing this.  He gets off on the power he has to do this at his whim.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Keith Wood; Spring Creek Lodge
« on: June 18, 2006, 05:19:00 AM »
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On 2006-06-17 23:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The US Justice Department has opened Keith Wood?s alleged suicide, they are investigating his death as a murder. All defendants in the law suit have been arrested by Federal Marshals.

Some of the evidences is that Keith was shoot three times in the head with two different bullets.



For those who do not understand lawsuits they are for the purpose of  punishing those who have done wrong , weather it be a person or corporate body.



They are also a way of providing information to the community thru the civil process of the lawsuit its self, forcing officials to answer questions under oath  or take the fifth amendment.



Right now both these lawsuits are in default for a total of 135 million dollars, that means they would have to pay the plaintiff for what ever there insurance company  has them insured for. Most officials are insured for about 1.5 million each, the mother of Keith Wood is not going to get 135 million dollars but she is going to get the Truth.



For those who can?t understand this and seem to think this is about money are nuts, this is the best method for those who are not in the official capacity to bring forth there evidences and force public servants (serpents) to adhere to the laws they are to enforce.



This is apart of are do-process  of law, this same do-process of law Keith?s mother did not get from the investigative officials of sanders county , they violated the Montana constitution and the Constitution of the United States. If in fact this lawsuit was not proper it would have been throw out of court a long time ago.



This county is corrupt and has been for a long time but the majority of the people who live here do not have the guts to stand up and do anything about it, but this woman has.



Those people in this county who seem to favorer there officials don?t seem to see what?s really going on  or maybe they are apart of it or just plan ignorant, either way it has gone on too long , there little empire is starting to crumble you would think the citizen would shut for joy but, no all they can do is complain.



 



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If this is true, how come none of us here in Thompson Falls have heard anything about the arrests?  When did it happen?  I don't know how they could keep something like this a secret in a town this size where everyone knows everything that's going on.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Keith Wood; Spring Creek Lodge
« on: June 01, 2006, 09:29:00 PM »
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On 2006-06-01 14:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"For all those that might be interested the Fedreal Marshals raided Sanders county court house and sheriff's department, they also raided the Plainis MT Police department.



What you going to bad boy's when they come for you? :grin: "


I live here in Thompson Falls and I haven't heard anything about this.  Where did you get your info?   :???:

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / The Real Problem Is ...
« on: May 24, 2006, 11:53:00 PM »
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On 2006-05-02 17:11:00, emaree wrote:

"and the teachers that do have degrees are not there at all times, that was my main point. students DO NOT have access to a degree-holding teacher at every class period. about 1/3 of the time, there are either no teachers in the classrooms (first morning period and last night period), or there are test graders that are simply "aides" with no education. they can do nothing for the students except to try look at answer logs for the tests and help them that way. that is ridiculous, especially when the academics are supposedly so great at SCL. what a joke."


Emaree is so correct on this.  I dealt with the Teacher's Aide more than I ever did the teacher the whole time I worked there.  The Teacher had very little to do with the students anyway.  Most of the time she was just sitting there correcting papers or writing stuff down.  I hardly ever saw her working with a student.  I'm not saying they don't have degrees and that some of them aren't really good teachers, but there is definitely something lacking out there in the "academics".  I do know that a couple of the male teachers were really on the ball and really worked with the students.  This information came from the Family Fathers that worked the families in those classrooms.  I can really only speak for the classroom I was in and the person in there was a pathetic excuse for a teacher.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Karlye Newman at SCL
« on: May 18, 2006, 01:33:00 PM »
Karlye was missed in the head count when her family was leaving the cabin.  It was said that a couple of the girls covered for her during the head count.  Head counts are done when leaving and entering a building.  The family Mom dropped her girls of in the classroom and went back to the cabin to take a break.  She was the one that went into the bathroom and found Karlye.  She had taken her sweatshirt and tied it around her neck then wrapped the other end over the top of the bathroom stall.  It was NOT in the shower.  If you look at bathroom stalls in public places there is a space between the frame and the door.  She looped her sweatshirt around the metal across the top.  The "upper staff" told everyone that Karlye didn't mean to actually kill herself and that she thought someone would come back in time and find her.  How does anyone know, but Karlye, what she was thinking?  Supposedly this wasn't her first attempt and she had just come off of "High Risk", so she wasn't watched as closely.

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / News on Martin Lee Anderson
« on: May 05, 2006, 06:06:00 PM »
This is so very sad, but it's about time they figured it out:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12647084/

Not sure if I did this right or not.. :smile:

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Level System
« on: May 03, 2006, 10:43:00 PM »
Worried Dad...

I am truly sorry for what you're going through with your son.  I also think it's great that you chose to come to this site for info before just blindly putting your child in some place for others to deal with.  I can't begin to know what you're going through and I just pray that my son never chooses that path to follow.  He's still young, but it won't be too long before he's a teenager and I'm really starting to dread it...lol!  Oh the horror stories I've heard!  

All I can say is I've worked in one of the WWASP facilities and I just hope you continue to do your homework and NOT put your son in one of them.  They don't help these kids and the ones that do seem to be doing ok are few and far between.  I think they would have been fine anyway, but of course WWASP takes the credit for their wonderful turnaround.  

Keep looking into anything you can to keep your son out of a facility of anykind, be it private or public.

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your son...Good Luck!

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / WHAT ABOUT THE PARENTS?
« on: April 26, 2006, 10:12:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-26 10:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-26 10:18:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Hmmm....What if it pees everywhere, won't house break, chews on everything, growls at every family member? What if the dog becomes vicious, now biting everyone in the house, hiding behind funiture and when least expected, leaps out and mauls the baby?   Wouldn't the owner quickly remove it? Get it trained?  Teach the family how to deal with the dog?  Now before you get all over me about training...you are the one that made the dog analogy! "




A good dog owner would have had their dog trained before any of the bad behavior started. If it had been let to go that long without training, they could bring a trainer in to train THE DOG OWNER, not the dog in the proper way to train a dog. Dog's are not stupid and do not become vicious on their own, it means their owner did a piss poor job in raising it. Yuppies around here think they can ship their dog off to a trainer for a week and get back a new dog, and then wonder why nothing changed when the dog comes home. Good dog trainers realize they have to train the dog owner, not the dog itself. The dog owner needs to spend time using positive reinforcement, instead of screaming and kicking the dog."


Damn that's good!  Wish I had said it...lol.  The term they're contantly using in WWASP programs is "Accountability".  Well my question is where is the accountability on the parents part?  Do you just throw your kid in a program because YOU can't fix the problem?  Why are some parents so quick to "get rid" of the problem by sending their kids away?  After talking to a few of the parents of kids in the program I see why some of these kids are the way they are.  Granted, some of them have done some horrible things and aren't being "perfect" teenagers, but then what teenager is perfect, and for that matter, what parent is perfect?  I know I'm certainly not!  I do know that I am accountable for certain behaviors my child now exhibits and I'm at least taking the time to do something about it.  The emphasis is on "I'm taking the time" not sending them to someone else to correct.  I allowed this behavior to begin, so it's my responsibility to take care of it.  I've done so by asking other parents their advise and actually listening to ideas they throw out to me.  It's not easy to admit that I contributed to some of his negative behavior, but damn it I do!

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Level System
« on: April 26, 2006, 09:21:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-26 18:04:00, Three Springs Waygookin wrote:

"Maybe it is just me, but it seems to me that a certain percentage of the kids must at least be infuriated with their parents enough to the extent of not even wanting to bother with their phone calls?



Does this ever happen?

Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author

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I remember a couple of times where some of my girls refused to talk to their parents.  They were so angry at them for one thing or another.  Sometimes it was for putting them in the program and sometimes it was for things that happened after they were already there.  It was really hard to not say anything negative about their parents to them, but a lot of times if you did they just ended up defending them, so it was best to not say anything about their parents.  I would just let them vent if they needed to.

I just had the hardest time as a parent to understand how you could send your child away at the absolute hardest time in their lives.  I remember other staff telling me to just wait until my child was a teenager and then see what I had to say, but I still to this day know that I would NEVER send my child away for others to deal with their problems.  Isn't that why we have kids, to raise them ourselves??  Maybe that's naieve on my part...who knows?? :???:

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Level System
« on: April 26, 2006, 09:16:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-26 17:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2006-04-26 17:18:00, Irish Mom wrote:


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On 2006-04-26 16:02:00, Anonymous wrote:



"What the hell type of treatment is withholding condiments????







So if someone has a meth addiction, the first step in treatment is to deny ketchup, syrup, mustard and pepper?







Whether or not the rule still exists, it serves as useful insight into the intelligence of the trolls."







Wow, I hope that reference to "trolls" wasn't directed at me.  I just relayed what I knew to be in effect while I was there.  Never said I agreed with it.   :eek: "




No, not directed at you!  Obviously you are a valuable source of info and not the dimwit who wrote the Staff Handbook."

Whew!  Okay, I can breathe again...lol

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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / Level System
« on: April 26, 2006, 08:18:00 PM »
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On 2006-04-26 16:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What the hell type of treatment is withholding condiments????



So if someone has a meth addiction, the first step in treatment is to deny ketchup, syrup, mustard and pepper?



Whether or not the rule still exists, it serves as useful insight into the intelligence of the trolls."


Wow, I hope that reference to "trolls" wasn't directed at me.  I just relayed what I knew to be in effect while I was there.  Never said I agreed with it.   :eek:

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