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World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) / DARCY RIDDLE
« on: July 22, 2005, 04:29:00 PM »
Why wait for karma to take its course.  If you have any concrete facts you should go directly to the Missoula DA.  Let us know how the meeting went.  If we don?t hear back from you in the next few weeks then we?ll all know that this was another thread of baseless rants started by a mental pinhead.

One more thing, assuming your still with me, is you?ve toed the line on slander (you?ve crossed the line on good taste but I?m sure that fits in your value frame).

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The Troubled Teen Industry / CASA CLOSING
« on: October 17, 2004, 01:56:00 PM »
Aqua Fortis:

You?re such an ignorant, enabling pinhead.  You have no idea who I am or what my situation was before or after making an emotionally tough decision for my son.  Of course I knew what happened at SCLA.  Within hours of it happening to be precise.  Do you honestly think this godforsaken BBS has a corner on the happenings within the Teen Help Industry?  Oh, I forgot, omnipotence permeates within you fornits folks.  You guys can actually tell me what?s going to happen five years down the road.  Maybe you can use those mystical powers to give me the lotto numbers for next week.

Again, no intelligent points made by you.  Just vile hatred and conspiracy theories (is this just the facts: ?I bet his mail, if he ever sends any, goes to HQ in Utah before it comes to your house. If that isn't a cult behavior, what is??).  I was willing to have an intelligent debate on the pros and cons of the teen help industry.  In specific, WWASP?s approach as a suitable form of therapeutic remedy GIVEN there are recognized alternates.  Unfortunately, I?m at a point where I find it impossible since you and your pack of brown shirts lack the ability to write coherent fact-based positions.  You continually demonstrate that you don?t know what the heck you?re talking about.  It?s just an ISAC-style, scripted smear campaign: no dialog, just rants on abuse, cults, deprogramming, and misinformation.  Really, what are you guys afraid of?  Go ahead and feed on this swamp fever rhetoric because it suits you guys just fine.

This has become a grand waste of my precious time.  You can have your BBS back.  I have much better things to do.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / CASA CLOSING
« on: October 17, 2004, 04:58:00 AM »
Wow, it looks like I missed a lot today.  Let?s take care of the easy things first?  

Yes, he?s doing great.  We talk to our son twice a month.  We?ve had two off-grounds visits with him.  If there were a report of abuse I would personally investigate it and personally take action based on the results.  He is in the counselor?s office when the phone calls take place.  His incoming or outgoing mail isn?t censored.

Antigen has provided an article for everybody to read but yet couldn?t write an intelligent point describing why it was applicable.  I guess my question is, what if the one hour per week family counseling and the 60 hours of teen counseling doesn?t work?  Oh my gosh, would a more restrictive inpatient program like WWASP be the next logical step.

BuzzKill, you?re not rocking my boat.  You?re completely lost.  Can you tie your own shoes?  You had four questions/comments that were addressed.  If you can?t connect the dots I won?t do it for you.

As a general comment?the decision to place him in WWASP was tough.  I visited the school, I talked to other parents and was presented with both the pros and the cons.  It was never described as having a 100% success rate.  I?m intelligent enough to know there aren?t any guarantees in life.  Before placing him in the facility, we tried the 10 hours per week of counseling, taking away privileges, restriction, daily monitoring of grades, and talking to him.  None of it worked.

The point you guys are missing is that teens react differently to therapeutic approaches.  For some teens the counselor thing works.  But for some it doesn?t.  You guys are deluded if you think that parents don?t use WWASP as a last resort.  Don?t throw this ?he?s just being a teen? garbage back at me because it won?t stick.

Oh, by the way, the cult and deprogramming cracks are downright hilarious!  And not a coherent point from any of you.  Come on, you guys can do better than that.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / CASA CLOSING
« on: October 16, 2004, 12:19:00 PM »
Spam, I think not.  Who said my child was in a different program?  Just to clear things up.  I currently have a teen in a WWASP facility and he?s doing great.  He?s been there since November 2003.  You?re assumptions led you in a different direction based on your beliefs about WWASP.  That?s kind of prejudice of you, right.  I?ll have to get back to the issues addressed in the other posts sometime in the next couple of days.  I?ve got more productive things to do today.

Later guys?it?s been fun debating all of you.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / ANOTHER WWASPS FATALITY?
« on: October 16, 2004, 12:04:00 PM »
Antigen, I have other things to do today so the exit plans discussion will have to wait until another time.  Exit plans and home contracts are two separate things.  Thanks for the compliment on my explanation of the home contract.  You?re very intuitive.  It is a sensible approach.  Although, I think the sweet part might be over the top.

I think your Sowell quote supports my point perfectly.  Just because you and others around you don?t like WWASP?s approach the Policy Makers shouldn?t be called upon to forbid it.  Wouldn?t that infringe on my freedom to choose what I and others believe is the right course of action.  Again, great quote.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / CASA CLOSING
« on: October 16, 2004, 02:39:00 AM »
As a parent, I have gone through the program.  It?s really opened my eyes to the baggage I carried into the family dynamic and the old patterns I had created.  I?m excited, scared, anxious, nervous for my teen to come home, as any caring parent would be.  I feel sad that things didn?t work out for you.  I never said WWASP?s approach was a guaranteed cure all.  You were the one making broad-brush statements that these schools don?t work.  My point was oftentimes they do work.

I find it interesting that you can?t accept my firsthand case reports as data that has no statistical relevance.  I?m sure given a couple of hours, a cup of coffee, and a few google searches I could find papers, written by PhDs no doubt, that support my claims.  Because, as you?ve graphically demonstrated, there?s studies out there that can prove anything.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / CASA CLOSING
« on: October 15, 2004, 09:31:00 PM »
BuzzKill, you love to tear apart WWASP?s approach without providing an alternate.  You also love to tear it apart with baseless arguments.  I have much more respect for the guy that attempted to prove his point with weak data.  Your approach is not uncommon for you swamp fever types.

Anyway, to answer your questions:
1)   Over 50
2)   I?ve only personally met a few, so it?s 5 out of 7.
3)   Parents that understand the WWASP program are given a great gift:  they don?t have to live their lives though their kids.  If a kid chooses not to follow the parent?s value system it?s the kid?s choice.  Why do you fault parents for that?  Unless you believe parents should enable their kids to the point of not having a life of their own.
4)   WWASP is not responsible for teens killing themselves.  If a teen killed themself at home are the parents to blame?  Should other kids within the same household be taken away if this happened?  Should a high school be closed down if a suicide occurs there?

Again, you have no facts to back up your bull.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / ANOTHER WWASPS FATALITY?
« on: October 15, 2004, 09:03:00 PM »
Cherish, what?s your point?  Maybe you?ve fallen down BuzzKill?s deluded slippery-slope.  You would?ve been much better served saying ?Indeed ? we are mourning the loss.?  and just left it at that.  It?s terribly, terribly sad that this happened.  My thoughts and prayers are with the parents and SLCA family members of this teen.

The facts are, one out of every twelve young adults (ages 15 to 24) attempt suicide.  Teen suicide is the third, or fourth depending on the year, leading cause of death over the last five years.  Should that be blamed on the Teen Help Industry as well?  You guys should be ashamed assigning blame without facts.  These pointless, baseless comments reflect who you really are.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / CASA CLOSING
« on: October 15, 2004, 07:32:00 PM »
I won?t even address your second link (#63699) because WWASP is not a ?Wilderness Program?.  In your first link you failed to make a correlation between the study?s therapeutic approaches and WWASP?s approach other than ?group therapy?.  WWASP embraces a multifaceted approach, including parental involvement, where group discussion and self-regulation aimed at accountability are ONE SMALL PART.

I?m not here to tell anybody that WWASP is an elixir for all teen problems.  But I also don?t have respect for individuals that state ?these schools don?t work? based on weak research, or worse yet, no research at all.  Not to spoil your 21-year old data, but I personally know over one hundred parents that believe in WWASP.  And that data is from 2004.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / ANOTHER WWASPS FATALITY?
« on: October 15, 2004, 04:01:00 PM »
There?s no set answer to your question other than, well, I guess it depends on the circumstances.  As our laws are enacted for three basic reasons: to protect an individual from doing harm to themselves, to protect you from being harmed by others, or to protect society?s value system.  Within our laws lie degrees of deviation.  For example, not wearing your helmet does not carry the same punishment as armed robbery.  The home contract establishes the ?laws of the house?.  The home contract rules and punishments are negotiated between the parents and kids until a consensus is reached.  All the home contract does is eliminate ambiguity and makes kids AND parents accountable.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / ANOTHER WWASPS FATALITY?
« on: October 15, 2004, 03:29:00 PM »
I love the home contract concept!  And if all of you put your WWASP-is-a-cult biases aside you might learn something.  A home contract establishes a set of values for the home and rules for parents and kids to follow.  It is a simple tool for promoting accountability.  WWASP does not dictate what the home contract looks like.  The parents and the kids create it.  The ?Why does a kid need a schedule at home ?? crack had me laughing on the floor.  Maybe your lil-Johnnie doesn?t need one, but mine sure will.

I think this thread is way off-topic.  I thought we were grieving for the parents who lost a child???

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The Troubled Teen Industry / CASA CLOSING
« on: October 15, 2004, 02:44:00 PM »
Brown, two-thumbs up for presenting a cogent, fact-based position.  Too bad it?s falling on deaf ears within this swamp fever thread.  I personally witnessed the care and compassion afforded the kids that were transported to San Diego over that fateful weekend.  WWASP did everything imaginable to protect the kids and make them as comfortable as possible.  Imagine you?re a school administrator faced with the situation of contacting the parents of 530+ kids or the kids will be placed in foster homes.  And this occurs in Mexico.  As ?concerned? parents you folks should be applauding the logistical hoops that WWASP had to jump though.

I don?t like to dwell on blame or fault but since most of you like to point fingers I?ll add one more thought.  The Mexican Government placed these kids in an extremely dangerous situation.  If there were allegations that required investigation, then an investigation should have taken place.  In fact, Mexican Government officials visited the facility within the month prior to the closing.  No concerns were discussed with school officials.  I believe this was a knee-jerk reaction by the Mexican Government that reeks of political motivation.  WWASP and Casa, unfortunately, were place in the middle.

I?m not trying to pick a fight with the parent of the bump-on-the-head kid but it?s a great example of assigning blame to an event.  If the bump was undeserved then the Mexican Police is at fault.  If it was deserved then the kid is at fault.  It?s that simple.  Casa and WWASP had nothing to do with it.

BTW?I?m not directly associated with WWASP or Premier but I do have a child in a facility.  I?m also a firm believer that these specialty boarding schools are a tremendous help to the parents of some troubled teens.

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