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Timoclea, you need to check your private messages and forward them to Ginger.

Geeez that woman who won't identify herself is really hung up on being mad at me. Go for it dear, it doesn't do anything and has no effect on anyone except to get you all bent out of shape but I guess that is fun for you and if you have nothing better to do but rag on me go ahead.

But bottom line is that it is over maam go on with your life, you need to find something else to do. Try somethng a bit more positive, maybe you can help someone who needs help - you can do nothing here except keep spewing venom that has no effects on anyone.

Paige

Ok, I just read the post by someone who says that they know all of us and they do have the names but not the proper info and really all this does is show that there are many sides to every story and this is just another version.

Obviously this person does not know me at all or they would know that I asked to adopt Amanda and I was willing to take both children. When Johnathon was in need of a home Amanda was stabilized with her Great Grandmother. Some time after that Ma Maw who is now 96 became incapable of caring for her. She began spending time with the C's while I was talking with the rest of the family about taking her to live with her brother and I. Yes Amanda was rejected by 2 families not 6 or 7 and she was rejected because their biological son was mean to her and said to his parents that he did not want her there. At that time the C's expressed an interest in keeping Amanda but not adopting her.
Amanda seemed to be happy there and I agree that in the beginning it seemed a good situation especially since her best friend was their daughter and they agreed that she would never be kept from  her brother or the other family members. Things went awry as some things do.
What I can attest to is that things changed and eventually it was not the loving happy picture with perfect parents that you have painted. If it was Mrs. C would never have anounced to me and others that she did not like this child and was sorry she had adopted her. she called on numerous occassions screaming and calling this child horriblle names and using obscenities that I am sure you have never heard coming out of her mouth. If there was that much of a problem there were many different ways to handle it. Many mistakes were made by all including the C's.But who are the adults here? The C's. They are to be held responsible for their mistakes just as the child or should it be moreso because they are adults?

However that is a moot issue - the only issue at hand now is that this child is getting on with her life and getting an education that she was never allowed to have. By the way I had all kinds of test run on her when she got home. Her intelligence level is extremely high (in the uper 9 percentile). This is documented by professionals. Documentation by the state shows that she was an A student proir to The C's taking her out of school at approx age 10. She did not fail - however her "sister" was failing and I believe ther is substantial documentation for that as well.

I can appreciate your loyalty to the C's but your information is very wrong and family members of the C's are more than happy to confirm this. If you have a bone to pick take it up with me and use your name so I know who you are unless you are afraid that you may be proven wrong, and since you know me so well why don't you call me and I can show you all documentation
that proves what I am saying. But then again it doesn't really matter because that is in the past and we are looking towards the future. As far as the C's go. I wish them well. I think they loved Amanda to some degree and I know that Amanda loved them and still does.The goal would be for someday for them to be able to forgive and heal all wounds. Time will tell and until then Amanda is in counseling, going to School, going to church and getting her life together.
I wish you well and hope that you to can forgive a young woman who has made mistakes recognizes that and is moving on to a good and solid future.

Best wishes to you.

My goodness, this is the first time I have been on here for quite awhile. It is nice to know that some things never change and then on the other hand it is nice to know that the problems with ALA and facilities such as this are  finally being addressed.

Amanda is doing well and I find it interesting that some people still say that I kidnapped her considering the FBI has never contacted any of us and we did notify the authorities in accordance with the law at the time that she chose to leave the facility.
This is a prime example of many peoples ignorance when it comes to legal situations and they may be able to spout scripture but they sure don't know our Constitution or anything about individuals rights. This could be another justification for the division between church and state.

Well anyway no one was kidnapped. The Attorneys say her departure wasn't kidnapping and the authorities say it wasn't kidnapping so get a grip and figure out this is one topic you apparently know nothing about. By the way don't you think that the FBI would have been to visit us if it was kidanpping?? Haven't seen them and she has been with me since August of this year.

I did try to open a line of communications with her parents on more than one occassion - they did not respond. I requested medical information from them - they refused. I requested medical Insurance information since she was in need of seeing a doctor from an injury sustained in Mexico - they replied with an attorney stating that they would not give me a medical release or any information about the insurance. So I took care of all of it myself. She has seen a doctor and is doing well now.

Her parents are still collecting the Survivor benefits from her biological fathers death from Social Security  (which by the way is illegal since she no longer lives with them) but Social Security is looking into that as we speak. The minister of the church she was raised in has told her that her parents just want to forget her and go on with their lives. That is OK if that is what they want to do but they are still collecting and have collected a substantial amount of money that does not belong to them. This will be addressed.
 
I have her enrolled in a junior college. She will be starting in January. Her math and reading were so poor that she is basically having to start with Arithmetic and take some basic reading classes before she can take any accredited classes. That doesn't say much for the education they were supposed to be giving her. But she is looking forward to going to this school and getting the education that she want s and deserves.

As for the raid, apparently they don't know about the other locations for ALA in Mexico. I think it is time for someone to let the authorities know where they are. That is another issue to be addressed another day.
Right now it is Holiday Season and we want to wish for all of you a Happy and Wonderful Christmas with your families and friends.

This will be the first Christmas in 10 years that Amanda and her brother will be able to spend together. God has truly blessed us with this.

Happy Holidays..... We will cetainly be having the best Christmas we have had in years we hope that all of you will also.

Paige

Thank you,
Amanda, her brother and myself call on God daily to guide us and to give Him thanks for all of his blessings. Thank you for your concern and thank you Timoclea for your support. You are a wonderful person and I hope to meet you some day.

On 2004-08-25 14:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

76-5-301. Kidnapping.

(1) An actor commits kidnapping if the actor intentionally or knowingly, without authority of law, and against the will of the victim:

(a) detains or restrains the victim for any substantial period of time;

(b) detains or restrains the victim in circumstances exposing the victim to risk of bodily injury;

(c) holds the victim in involuntary servitude;

(d) detains or restrains a minor without the consent of the minor's parent or legal guardian or the consent of a person acting in loco parentis, if the minor is 14 years of age or older but younger than 18 years of age; or

(e) moves the victim any substantial distance or across a state line.

(2) As used in this section, acting "against the will of the victim" includes acting without the consent of the legal guardian or custodian of a victim who is a mentally incompetent person.

(3) Kidnapping is a second degree felony.



Amended by Chapter 301, 2001 General Session

 

Seems to me that this is exactly what her parents and ALA did to her. Oh yeah, thats right, it is OK because it was her parents and a religious organization.

Read it carefully no one broke any laws and the parents were notified within the required 8 hours. All the dad said was that we would have to get together and talk about it. Still hasn't happened.

They did what they thought was right and so did we. Both parties have had legal council. If they want to fight over this in court we are ready willing and able. We are also ready willing and able to move on without any problems. We shall see what happens.

On 2004-08-25 14:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

76-5-301. Kidnapping.

(1) An actor commits kidnapping if the actor intentionally or knowingly, without authority of law, and against the will of the victim:

(a) detains or restrains the victim for any substantial period of time;

(b) detains or restrains the victim in circumstances exposing the victim to risk of bodily injury;

(c) holds the victim in involuntary servitude;

(d) detains or restrains a minor without the consent of the minor's parent or legal guardian or the consent of a person acting in loco parentis, if the minor is 14 years of age or older but younger than 18 years of age; or

(e) moves the victim any substantial distance or across a state line.

(2) As used in this section, acting "against the will of the victim" includes acting without the consent of the legal guardian or custodian of a victim who is a mentally incompetent person.

(3) Kidnapping is a second degree felony.



Amended by Chapter 301, 2001 General Session

Seems to me that this is exactly what her parents and ALA did to her. Oh yeah, thats right, it is OK because it was her parents and a religious organization.

Read it carefully no one broke any laws and the parents were notified within the required 8 hours. All the dad said was that we would have to get together and talk about it. Still hasn't happened.

They did what they thought was right and so did we. Both parties have had legal council. If they want to fight over this in court we are ready willing and able. We are also ready willing and able to move on without any problems. We shall see what happens.