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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2005, 08:56:00 PM »
Yeah Tim, i agree with what you are saying, and you articulated it very well, and crystal clear, with many different examples.  When i said "addiction" i meant more along the lines of

"Anyone can do any activity so much that it is unhealthy"

As the counselors were ready to take whatever that habbit may be, out of the kids life.

I suppose i was taught, and bought into misusing the word addiction.  Well said.

Ryan
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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2005, 09:14:00 PM »
NO HARM TO A CHILD OR ANY HUMAN IS JUSTIFIED IN ANY WAY AT ALL!  CHILDREN'S RIGHTS ARE A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AS ARE ALL RIGHTS OF ALL PEOPLE BUT THE RIGHTS OF THESE YOUNG PEOPLE BEING SENT TO RESIDENTIAL SCHOOLS AND OR RTC'S AND OTHER PROGRAMS ARE AND SHOULD BE A NUMBER ONE PRIORITY AS A MATTER OF FACT THE FACT THAT OUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T TAKE THIS AS A HUGE PRIORITY ISSUE IS AND HAS BEEN LONG DISTURBING.
ANDREA

PS I will also add that a lot of reputable programs who take children will not take a child/adolescent unless they consent to being there.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2005, 09:29:00 PM »
Okay, it is my understanding and our philosophy that kids who go to residential schools (at least in MA need to be there for a couple of reasons) a 766 Approved School (and please remember all must be licensed to get this approval) means that it is an approved school for children/adolescents to provide special education services which in most cases usually means that they are on an IEP (Individual Education Plan) under IDEA (Individuals with Disabilities Education Act under Federal Law) and in MA Chapter 766 this falls under special education.  Now Special Needs (and I will get the definition according to MA OCCS Licensing is more extensive than that, and includes alot of disabilities such as Autism, PDD, Bi Polar, and or needing theraputic 24 hour care.  It is more extensive than the special education laws and much more inclusive of a larger population this was done specifically so as it was supposed to be more difficult to open doors take kids in for 24 hour care, and better determine a difference between a boarding school and a residential school.  I myself believe that the Academy at Swift River belongs in the Residential School category but folks have had a difficult time proving this, the state was able to prove it with Desisto - they couldn't meet the standards although for a minute I thought they were trying but couldn't meet the standards well let me rephrase if they had wanted to maybe they could have so I would say at this time did not choose to meet the standards set forth by the state of MA.  And I want all of you to know that all MA Licensed residential schools through OCCS must allow contact between children and parents, and are huge on civil rights for the kids as well as the 766 approved schools are = when their is an IEP the feds also fall into place through the Office of Civil Rights under the US Department of Education.  I hope this is helpful as I had said before and have learned a lot by going to conferences and other states the way they run or don't run things - also talking to parents all over the US and world for that matter that it is a huge difference here than elsewhere, in MA a lot of the residential school placements are paid by the Local School Systems and Department of Education, they have more stringent rules, when parents privatly place and pay it is a different ball game but the same rules apply to all under Licensing from OCCS.  I also know that the majority of Residential Schools in MA do not take insurance as a payment for the residential and education piece.  Alot of state agency and fed stuff goes along with the placements here.  I know it is not perfect but if the schools are up and running, they have to have standards and rules, also all students and parents should be made aware of them and also parents and students may file complaints with OCCS and each and every one of them are investigated.  From time to time enrollment is frozen and the provider cannot take kids until all is running well, and also I have seen places closed down as well.  Fines can be also added on for non compliances as well.  All complaints and findings are public record under the Freedom of Information Act both with the Office for Child Care Services and the MA Department of Education - personal information identifiable informaion is redacted to protect the children/adolescents identity as they are minors.  Alot of things are in place for protections of rights and information as well here.
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2005, 09:38:00 PM »
Ryan,
I am glad you are happy with your outcome at the Academy at Swift River but as you know not all had the same outcomes I would like to see them licensed and willing to license- I also would like to see them be more open to doing this.  Yes with better oversight and licensing better practices could come out of it who knows.  I commend you for seeing good when things were not always so good.  I also wish you luck in the future.  I applaud your positive attitude even though you went through a tough time and am impressed with your ability to move on unlike others, and offer to help to make positive changes espcially your ability to look at things realistically.
Keep me updated on your life.
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2005, 11:29:00 PM »
The concepts and my own feelings about asr are true, however specifics about asr are not.  I see i stumbled into something that i did not want to.  Nothing i said above is true, and i hope most people just read the first page.  Thanks.

Ryan Merritt
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2005, 12:27:00 AM »
Temporary lapse of insanity?

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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2005, 09:44:00 AM »
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On 2005-05-22 09:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

All of those issues seem specific to your "friend", trivial, or just not true. Take it from a former student.


Sure, taken out of context, any of those issues might seem trivial. Taken all together, it's not trivial at all. And why do you place the word friend in quotes?

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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2005, 11:41:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-22 20:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"  The concepts and my own feelings about asr are true, however specifics about asr are not.  I see i stumbled into something that i did not want to.  Nothing i said above is true, and i hope most people just read the first page.  Thanks.



Ryan Merritt"


Ryan, it's hard whenever you've been in a group that has its own way of looking at the world that's disconnected from "outside," and that isolates you from "outside," to integrate back in to being just out here in society.

I know, because I was raised in a very small,very restrictive religious sect and it was a long road to finding out who I wanted to be out here in The Real World.

I think you showed amazing courage just now by being able to see and acknowledge that behaviors aren't the same thing as addictions.  It's not the particular slogan that gets me.  I am really impressed that you looked that quickly at *any* slogan and regrouped that fast, changed your mind, and adjusted to the change---so much so that you were able to come right back and *say so*.

That is a very rare and precious talent.

I think you're probably going to do very well over the long haul.

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2005, 02:13:00 PM »
I am a former counselor from ASR, and even though I am not there anymore I still love ASR for the place and the heart that it is. The kids do hold each other accountable. Their strength is in their connections with each other, their love for each other. While I worked there I learned so much about the human spirit, about how people affect each other. And I learned how to interact with teenagers, the best ones in the world, in a powerful positive way, while giving them boundaries to live with.

So, how is it disturbing that kids help other kids in a loving environment? Does that mean anyone helping each other is disturbing?

And just in case you want to know, I only left ASR to be nearer to my family.

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2005, 12:40:00 PM »
It really concerns me when I hear that kids help other kids by "holding them accountable."

The reason it concerns me is that while that can be perfectly innocent---like not having lunch with the kid who's obnoxious until he quits being obnoxious---it can be "code" for something much more pernicious.

And when a facility does not welcome in the state and/or local regulatory authorities to keep an eye on its practices, that uncertainty is troubling.

It's genuinely helpful when, after one kid says something horrid to someone else, another kid says, "Gee, that was pretty mean."

It's not so helpful when, as in some programs, kids become amateur psychologists playing around in other kids' heads.

Which is happening at Swift River in any given month?  Who the hell knows?

I don't think I'd be worried about Swift River if it was licensed according to whatever standards Massachusetts applies to treatment facilities--that is, if it wasn't in the habit of arguing with Massachusetts authorities about what kind of facility it is.  If the child protective services people knew they were welcome to come in, unannounced, at any time and look at anything at all.  If the kids had access to a pay phone for certain hours on weekends and certain after school hours, and a small allowance they could use for it.  Even if they had to stand in line or draw numbers out of a hat for turns, and if the child protective services number was posted by the phone.

Maybe everything *is* mostly okay there.

But the rest of the larger community needs to know it's okay.

The Massachusetts authorities are and have been, reportedly, not happy over the long term with Swift River's decisions about which licensing category *it* thinks it falls in, and the amount of access the regulatory people have to make sure the kids are okay.

Swift River doesn't have a hugely horrible reputation like, for example, some places in Utah.

Massachusetts is a fairly responsible state on this issue.

I would be happy enough with Swift River if the Massachusetts authorities were satisfied that they had enough access to verify that the children were being cared for safely and responsibly, on an ongoing basis.

But if Massachusetts isn't happy with ASR, I'm not either.

I'm not a "big government" person.  Unlike almost everybody on Fornits, I vote conservative Republican.  Not "religious right"--more a little "l" libertarian who thinks the Republicans are doing a better (albeit very imperfect) job of following that philosophy right now.

Facilities, like other corporations, are necessary things.  But unlike individual human beings, facilities and corporations have no consciences.  They just have public relations departments that *sometimes* serve similar functions--but frequently on a "don't get caught" basis.

Facilities, like other corporations, need oversight to keep them honest.

All it takes is one bad or incompetent management team to turn a good facility into a nightmare--fast.  There has to be oversight as a safety net for the kids if the facility starts to get screwy.  Or to make sure it isn't already screwy at any given time.

I'm an ASR skeptic because I perceive it to be dodging state oversite.

Quit dodging, and I quit griping.

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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2005, 11:55:00 AM »
I went to ASR in one of the later peer groups.  When you talk about "holding people accountable," which is basically the whole program, is exactly as how you describe as "kids become amateur psychologists."  That is one of the vital reasons why the program "works" for anyone at all.  The counselors use the kid's emotions to get them against other kids.  Have you ever had 14 peers of yours all attacking you at one?  I have, and not only was it unpleasant, it did nothing for me.  As a matter of fact, I know NOBODY who has gotten anything out of that.  I have seen councelors manipulate really disturbed kids emotions and feelings to use them against other kids.  Now, about restraining, it is true that restraints are not standard practice there.  However, I have seen two kids get restrained by OTHER kids.  The first one tried to punch another kid and the next thing I knew about five other kids were on top of him. The second kid was me.  I was restrained by three other kids before i hit another kid.  Now do i beleive its good someone stopped me?  In some ways.  But shouldnt the staff have done something instead of the kids?  I remember seeing two staff outside during hte incident and they did nothing but help me "analyze" what just happened.  As for Isolation, again, its not the norm to have isolation but I know another two kids who were put in isolation for a few days and did not come out.  I believe ASR emotionally damages every kid that goes in there whether the person beleives it or not.  First, most kids get virtually nothing out of it.  EVERY graduate or former student I have met or talked to came back and did some drugs or were not doing well.  Most felt isolated from people and could not fit in to society.  I beleive the councelors have emotionally scarred me and many people i have talked to.  Yes, the students do have the msot influence on the kids.  You jsut have to sit through one group to see that the thoughts they have are implanted and that they are being subtally brainwashed into doing what the councelors would love to have the influence to do.  ASR is brainwashing the kids.  I know this from reading some books on the subject while there and comparing it to the day to day life.  The descriptions are identical. The book could have been written about the school.  What set me to that belief was finding a copy of the whole 3rd part of the program, lifestep and what instructors are supposed to do included, and found it disturbing.  It stated that they staff should encourage students to be confused and scared as they will be more suceptable to the lifestep prep and the actual lifestep.

Bottom line is that I have yet to see someone helped by ASR.  The "therapy" there is brainwashing and destructive to people.  The school there is a joke and the institution is not accredited even though they claim it will be no problem to transfer credits from there.  right now the school is in a high state of disorder.  When I left most of the staff were quitting, since the program was changing for the worst and 2 impending lawsuits were about to occur.  Many students have left, only 3 from my original peer group graduated (i myself was pulled and sent to a second school in Utah where i have since left), and hte program has gotten much worse.  please, this is the time to make the final push and close ASR.  While it may not be as bad as Traquility bay or Hidden Lake the way the twist your mind should be exposed to no one.
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2005, 02:15:00 PM »
Who are you, and what peer group were you in? I am really curious, because I was there from PG 21-49 being on campus.
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2005, 02:01:00 AM »
My name is Richard Meehan and I was in Peer Group 41.  Whats your name?  You have to be a staff since I know they eliminated peer groups recently and you wouldnt have been there for that long.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2005, 02:49:00 AM »
Several years ago there was a mom of a ASR boy who used to post ad-nauseum on the Struggling Teens parent support forum.

I always wondered whatever became of that boy and whether his relationship with this overly controlling mother was part of the reason why he ended up in a locked boarding school.  I mean, this lady was nothing if not determined to win the war with her so-called defiant teen.  Very creepy.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2005, 09:19:00 AM »
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I am a former counselor from ASR, and even though I am not there anymore I still love ASR for the place and the heart that it is. The kids do hold each other accountable. Their strength is in their connections with each other, their love for each other. While I worked there I learned so much about the human spirit, about how people affect each other. And I learned how to interact with teenagers, the best ones in the world, in a powerful positive way, while giving them boundaries to live with.  

::slaps:: First, you should be ashamed of your self for your actions, you turned children against one another and had them attack each other over pointless things. Of course you learned about the human spirit, im sure you learned how far you should push, im sure you learned how you could manipulate it, and im sure you found out the breaking point of these children over and over again as you pushed them into mental break downs over and over again.

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So, how is it disturbing that kids help other kids in a loving environment? Does that mean anyone helping each other is disturbing?
 
Love is not giving these kids more issues than they have to deal with, love is not destorying them mentally, love is not abusing them emotionally.

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And just in case you want to know, I only left ASR to be nearer to my family

I feel sorry for your kids.

(ok moving on to another person.)

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Score! Yes we Republicans have to stick together.

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The first one tried to punch another kid and the next thing I knew about five other kids were on top of him.


Im sure the councilers loved to see this because that means they are insulated from all legal recourse, all they have to say is they saw nothing, it also shows that those that restrained the other kids, and most likely the hitter, had broken.

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