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I just did a google search on academy at swift river forum, and this site came up.  Much to my suprize you guys were slamming the place.  That was not my opinion of the place at all.  I went there in peer group 27.  When you guys talk about specific people, thats out of my league - When i went there i talked to the people that i wanted to, my counselors james and caretia, and they were awesome caring people.  I did not talk to Rudy that much, nor did i talk to Jill, the people you seem to carry on about the most.  I dont know about CEDU eiather, many counselors talked about it many times, and hidden lake as well.  I suppose any schools that were established before i went there, which was from 2002 to 2003 was talked about.

You people claim these places tortue kids, or even emotionally damage them because of the people working there or the people owning the place, i think nothing could be further from the truth.

When i went there, the kids were all about it.  Our peergroup was very similar to the one that had the book written about them.  We all cared about eachother, and had good counselors.  The kids ended up taking the initiative, we loved and cared about eachother so much that we turned the place into just that, a school that all the kids were inclined to do good, it wasnt "cool" to do something such as drugs or sex, which were not allowed, it was "cool" to do good, or help out a friend in need.  This place totally changed my life because i let it change my life, and i wanted to change the lives of my fellow students.  No matter what things that school could have done to "hurt" me further like you people talk about did not occur.  
The kids have the strongest impressions on eachother, not the counselors.  And if any counselor was out of line the KIDS would correct them.  

Bottom line, the kids make the school what it is.   NEVER did the conselors hurt or emotionally scar us, or do anything indecent.  That place had an incredible feeling to it, and i dont know if its like that now a days, but when i was there the kids wanted to do work, they wanted to change, and thats what truly made the difference.

And yes, i am willing to say that ASR was safer than ANYWHERE else, anywhere.  Real life included, as we often called it when we lived there.  There are so many bigger things to worry about than the errors that happened at the school, because they are microscopic in comparision to a teenager in the real world.

And on the final note, any former students, please visit my website, http://www.ryemer.com/asr/

That is the real reason i came here, so all former asr students please go to that website above.  

And all you posters, keep complaining about the age of therapudic schools which you are all ending with your banter and critisism.  
That place saved my life.

Ryan B Merritt
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2005, 05:46:00 PM »
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The kids have the strongest impressions on eachother, not the counselors. And if any counselor was out of line the KIDS would correct them.


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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2005, 09:44:00 AM »
Please clarify what this means and in what way?  Did kids restrain other kids?  Were kids on IEP's while there?  I also want to know were kids allowed to call family whenever they wanted?  Please explain how kids correct other kids at this Academy at Swift River, and if you can give dates etc.
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2005, 10:22:00 AM »
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"This place totally changed my life because i let it change my life, and i wanted to change the lives of my fellow students"


isn't it curious how these kids think they are helping other kids. truly disturbing.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2005, 10:24:00 AM »
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"I just did a google search on academy at swift river forum, and this site came up.


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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2005, 11:17:00 AM »
Ryan, you aren't convincing to me.

I personally know someone who was at Swift River.

What I will say is that it appears to be nowhere near as bad as, for example, Tranquility Bay in Jamaica, and that Aspen, having no ties to WWASPS, would not end up sending the more annoying kids to TB in Jamaica.

From what I've heard it seems about on par with HLA in Dahlonega, Georgia.

From what happened to the girl I know who went there, there are some definite things ASR needs to fix if they want to become a healthy place for children with some challenges to attend school.

For one, they need to put each child's letters and presents from friends through as long as the letter or present is not raunchy or advocating illegal activity.  They need to stand up to the parents and tell them social isolation is not good for the child and that they'd better have a specific reason, better than "unsupportive" or "wrong crowd" or any of that vague stuff you can apply to anyone, if they want incoming mail from some particular person stopped.

For another, when the child is off campus visiting with the parents, they need to let the parents decide who it's okay for the child to contact and what it's okay for the child to do--including the parents changing their minds on the fly---and they need to never, ever punish a child for anything that child had parental permission to do at the time he/she did it.  They should never, ever punish a child for anything done on an off campus visit *at all* except to enforce any temporary restriction the *parent* puts in place if the *parent* feels the need to discipline in response to some behavior the *parent* found outrageous.

For a third, they need to allow the child to bring as many books as the child likes that are PG-13 or better, specifically allowing electronic books, and with the quantity limited only by aggregate weight of the child's personal book collection.  The weight of books a child is allowed to bring should be generous, and the child should be allowed to receive essentially unlimited additional books by mail.  

For a fourth, they should never isolate a child for more than eight hours a day in any single day.  They should have no more than three days in any single week that they isolate a child for any part of the day.  They should have no more than one week in any given month that they isolate a child for an aggregate of more than eight hours.  I'm listing out what *ought* to be common sense.  Nobody should have to list necessary limits on isolation---humane, compassionate, and responsible adults just know the limits.  My biggest concern is that ASR has *apparently* created a climate in which their personnel have gotten their perceptions distorted and disconnected from the norms of society for what constitutes humane behavior in disciplining a child.

The fifth thing they need to do is separate their program into children that need special care to deal with serious personal problems and children who are there just because their parents are overreacting---which was the case with the girl I know.  For the children whose parents are overreacting, the facility needs to have a branch that functions exactly like a conventional prep school, with counselors available but use of them not required, no "personal growth" requirement crap, just your standard prep school.  They need to stand up to the parents and say, "We are not convinced this child needs residential placement.  We will accept this child into our prep school branch, in a conventional dorm under conventional prep school rules and privileges, at the same tuition we charge generally.  If the child does badly in the prep school environment, to the point that she would be expelled from a typical prep school, or to the point that a typical prep school would acknowledge that her challenges need a change of placement, then and only then will we place her (at the same rates) in our therapeutic track."

They're not Tranquility Bay.

They're also not a good place to put a child.

I *will* say that Swift River appears to be one of the facilities that, if they had proper regulatory oversight, could probably mend their practices and stay open and in business.

But from what I know of ASR from knowing salient facts about the girl, the family, and her stay at ASR, there is *substantial* room for improvement in their practices.

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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2005, 12:45:00 PM »
Ok guys, first and foremost the kids were not restraining eachother.  When i was there, NOBODY was restrained the entire 14 months i was there, so that is TOTALLY out of the picture.

And no, its not disturbing to think the kids helped eachother, as anyone with even the smallest amount of knowledge for treating kids knows that other kids have the most authority - I should know, im still 20 years old and i have had many moments when one of my many good friends there would have me breaking down and crying because we had an intense emotional conversation.  Hear that ? Intense Emotional Conversation. No restraining.

Oh, and parent(s) if you are posting, go see who your kids listen to more, since you are here, it's probably your childs peers WAY more than YOU!

Timoclea:

The whole letters thing...
We were allowed letters in and out from all relatives and family.  We were allowed to write to 2-4 friends i believe.  This was never an issue with me, i dont know what type of nerdy child would really care about getting letters, we never even mentioned this among ourselves at the school really. It was the least of our worries.

Parents at home...
Well, i never got into that situation of my parents contradicting the school.  You know why ? Because my parents knew that they had messed up, my parents knew i was beyond thier control.  And the fact that they sent me to the school, i guess they decided to just let the school handle itself, and just have a nice visit with me.  Besides, on none of my visits did i do anything that needed disciplinary action from my parents or the school.  I guess this is a individual problem.

We were allowed many books, i had a collection of books when i was there, on my own bookcase.  Things ranging from Hume, to Angels and Demons.  I personally never had a problem there with books, and never heard of it from anyone else eiather.  I could see it being a problem if the kid is addicted to books (you can get addicted to anything, before you respond to that) and always has thier head in a book at all times of the day.  Then they wouldn't have any books at all.  This seems like another trivial non-issue to me.

Lastly, the kids were never totally isolated.  They were ONLY isolated for MAYBE 2 hours at the most, otherwise they have student contact.

And the whole non-growing non-prepschool crap, there were plenty of people there whose parents overreacted, and they benefited from the personal growth just as much as other people who were there for doing drugs.  Besides no personal growth at the program? That would not work, what the f*#$ are the parents paying $5,000 a month for ?

All of those issues seem specific to your "friend", trivial, or just not true.  Take it from a former student.
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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2005, 12:46:00 PM »
Yeah, that was me that just posted above this post

-Ryan Merritt

(I like to put my name on stuff, how about you guys!?)
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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2005, 06:43:00 PM »
Tim -
We have been fighting this for years, the Acedemy at Swift River claims they do not take kids with special needs (which they do) and on IEP's which they do.  I would love to see them licensed as would many others - so please folks if you have substantial information that you can back up dates, times, etc., please email it to http://www.qualitychildcare.org they need to license or pack up and move out.  That is my stand.  
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2005, 06:50:00 PM »
I don't care if you call me a liar.  I just consider the source.  In my friend's case, she was well enough known in a hobby community (Science Fiction fans), that's like a small town, that dozens of grown friends of her followed the entire saga as it was unfolding.

There are enough completely unbiased witnesses to what happened with her that I have nothing to defend.

*She* had not "screwed up" any more than the mildest 25% of teens do--that's "mildest," not "wildest."  She just had the misfortune to have unusually obnoxious, self-obsessed parents.  Again, lots of people were around them over enough time for this to be no secret.

And there have been a number of former attendees who have come on here and given their account of what ASR was like.  Their accounts basically tallied more with what happened to her than what you've said about how it was for you.  Since there's more or less matched up with what I saw, of course I believe them and believe her case was not an isolated incident.

I also find it significant that you were so quick to accuse me of lying with basically no basis for that accusation at all.  I find that frequently people's expectations for how others will behave in various situations is based on how they themselves would behave in that situation.

I don't know if you really are a former ASR attendee saying what it was like for you or not.  I don't know anything about you or your background--the only thing I really know about you is a handful of electrons on a screen.

I do know you're hostile, defensive, and prone to question others' honesty with little reason.  Not a great recommendation, so far, for the outcome of your own "personal growth" experience.

By the way, I use a handle on here for convenience, but I've stated my real name more than once.  Nothing hidden here.  Someone only has to search on "Timoclea" to find reams of postings, several of which do include my real name (Julie Cochrane), what I do for a living, etc.

Did they teach you to be judgmental and jump to conclusions and think the worst of people (with little evidence to base it on) at ASR?  Or did you learn that on your own?

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2005, 07:55:00 PM »
Andrea, let's apply your logic to another situation. There's a big mean hillbilly around here who's been driving w/o a license for years. He's not rich, but he's related by blood or business to half the valley. He says he won't drive drunk, he does. He says he'll pay for any damage he causes, he always wheels and deals his way out of it.

So give that man a license!

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2005, 08:09:00 PM »
Timoclea:

ASR was an incredible time of my life.  Most of the kids whined and moaned, and griped about the place.  The only people who gained anything through it, are the people who wholeheartedly gave thier all to the "process".  Most did not do this, and i didn't do it until my 18th birthday half way through the program, when i decided i was going to stay, and not leave.

I am saying that through any type of situation that you do not find agreeable, there is something to be learned, and there is growth to be had.  Thus, someone who reads thousand page fantasy novels all day can learn just as much as the meth addict next to them in group therapy.  However, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.  

The only thing i enjoyed there were the people.  I hated not having my cd's, i hated not watching my favorite tv shows, or even having the freedom to decide that i didnt want to do my homework at 8 o clock tonight, as an 18 year old adult.  But i consented, i wasnt there to enjoy, i was there to learn and grow, and thats what I did.  Most did not. Some played the part, being a goodie goodie, some wanted to be badasses, and others took a deep hard look at themselves and matured.

What i am trying to say is, the little details are trivial to the process.  Reading the latest fantasy novel is not a nessicity.  Letters to friends were not a nessicity.  They took out all the "luxuries" so that it was just yourself and your friends, so you can focus on what your parents paid $80,000 for.

My basis for saying the isolation was untrue is because i've gone through it Timoclea.  I HAVE been there.  I went through the school.  Enrolled, graduated. Enough.

And no, i was not talking about you, i saw your name at the bottom of the post.

The reason, Timoclea, i seem to be so hostile, defensive and prone to question others honesty with what seems as little reason is because i will stand up for the people who saved my life.  The school saved my life, the people saved my life.  And the whole time i was there, plenty of people bitched, and moaned and just complained to no end about what was going on, none of them constructive.  I was so sick of them talking about it like that, and the one time i look up "academy at swift river forums" in google, there they are again, but this time its grown ass adults bitching! Who havent even been there!

My whole peergroup prospered, and i can account for 3 lives saved due to Swift River, and that, in my opinion, justifies all the petty complaints, "Oh no my books!", "Oh no my cd's!", "Why cant i call grandma when i want to!?".

Yeah im hostile and defensive, that place saved my life and even after graduating i try as hard as i can to hold on to the place, and keep it in my day to day life.

Nobody ever intentionally hurt a child at that place, and it sounds like any trouble with kids enrolled there who aren't "wild" enough to personally grow is a responsibility that rests squarely on the parents shoulders.

The reason i got heated is because the school doesn't hold your hand through it, the problems you mentioned don't seem to justify saying

"there is *substantial* room for improvement in their practices."

*or*

"if they had proper regulatory oversight, could probably mend their practices and stay open and in business"

The focus should be, how can the KID adjust and learn, how can the KID grow, how can the KID help themself and others when faced with unagreeable obstacles.  And when i figured that out for myself, i learned that it was my own problem when i was not happy in an unagreeable situation. Very Zen like, and that was a major concept.
If you dont get that, then join the rest of america with the "i want others to fix it/do it for me" mentality that gets kids there in the first place.
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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2005, 08:12:00 PM »
Ugh, forgot again, post above is me, ryan merritt once more.

Andrea, your cause is more important that our arguement, but i dont understand what IEP or special needs kids are, specifically.  I could help you out with this situation.
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2005, 08:17:00 PM »
Anybody who thinks "you can get addicted to anything" has been taught, and bought into, a definition of "addiction" that has no *reputable* medical or psychiatric basis.

It's a myth, and its presence in what you spout is not a rationally based factual belief but a word-for-word slogan---an implanted bit of dogma.

That people come out of these facilities spouting canned slogans that don't have a lot of grounding in fact is part of what concerns so many of us who are skeptical of said facilities.

It would be more accurate to say a person with OCD can develop a repeated ritual around anything even though *most* OCD rituals follow certain similar patterns and themes; and that psychologically normal people will frequently bury themselves in their hobbies when they're upset about something and don't know how to deal with it or don't have the courage to deal with it; and that people with certain specific mental illnesses, if those illnesses are insufficiently treated--or if that attribute is unresponsive to treatment, can hyperfocus on anything they happen to be enjoying and tend to stay more hyperfocused than psychologically normal people.

If I start folding laundry in the morning, I can get "stuck" and stand there folding laundry all day long even though there's other stuff that really needs to be done much more.  Something is different about my brain that causes me to sometimes get stuck in the same pattern, over and over, like a scratched CD.  I'm not "addicted" to folding laundry.  I'm just prone to getting "stuck" because there's something different about my frontal lobes.  Sometimes it's a bad difference, sometimes it's a good difference.  It depends on the task.

There are a wide variety of reasons various people repeat non-substance-consumptive behaviors, but "addiction" is a just plain inaccurate description of those repeat behaviors and implies both cause and treatment pattern---and is more often than not dead wrong about both.

Case in point:  most "addiction" people would classify hypersexual bipolars (70% of people with bp are hypersexual) as "addicted to sex."  Nobody except the AA and NA and Synanon-type extremists would say you could be "addicted" to something you'd never done.  But pediatric bipolars frequently begin acting sexual (movement, attire, sexualized behavior not including actual sex), irrepressably so, as complete virgins.  It's not "addiction"--it's a fundamental and necessary human biological drive that's hypercharged as a  symptom of a highly genetic disorder that affects not just the brain but the whole body.  The brain differences are just the most obvious one.

The libido in hypersexual bipolars is not an "addiction"---it's just one of the ways a rather unfortunate gene combination manifests.  You don't protect your life from an overly strong libido with the same methods you do from a physical addiction to alcohol.  Pardon my frankness, but nobody ever died or lost their job or their spouse or the rest of their family from too many orgasms.  All the possible life problems come from where, when, and who with.  So unlike dealing with alcoholism, avoiding it isn't necessary and the endless rehashing of angst to some group or therapist isn't at all helpful--you just sate any excess privately and be done with it.

"You can get addicted to anything."

All the words I can think of to express my mixed disbelief and other emotions that someone could actually believe that and parrot it sound mean.  I've typed the response over about four times and I can't think of a way to respond to that blatant folly that's not...harsher than I want to be.

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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2005, 08:43:00 PM »
I believe that a certain amount of individual freedom of association and freedom of thought and freedom of communication is a fundamental human right no matter what the person's age.

I think it's unfortunate that you keep trying to justify the violations of other people's basic rights, violations they did not consent to, merely because you feel there was something in it for you and you got yours.

Those people who bitched and moaned and whined?  And who do so now?---That is, those people who were upset then and are still upset now that their basic human rights were violated over a critical period of their young lives--they had the right not to have that done to them, and they have every right to be furious at the people who did it, and to speak out about what ASR did to them and how they felt about it then and feel about it now.

Harm to them is in no way justified just because *you* feel you got the goodies and came out ahead in the deal.

Some thug tying some girl up and raping her is not justified just because he grabs *one* girl who is a kinky, willing playmate and has consensual sex. (No, I'm not trying to conflate ethical doms with rapists.)

How your message comes across is, "What's good for me is good."

Okay, I'll grant for the sake of argument that you "processed the pain" of being in an overly controlled, humiliating situation and are happy in the aftermath and think it was good for *you*.

That doesn't excuse what they've done to all the others who didn't want it, didn't like it, and are still (rightly) pissed off about it.

And for those others, coming out and saying that it was horrible for them is a reasonable, healthy way of persuading other parents that they should not do that to their child---unless their child wants to go.

What you're saying falls on my ears like, "I never would have let them tie me up, but they did anyway, and I liked it, and if they hadn't tied me up I would have missed the experience, so all those other people they tied up should just quit whining."

Even if you didn't "like it" and just liked the results, again, weighing your liking of the results against the other people who were violated, I just have to side with them that that shouldn't have happened to them.

People have basic rights, no matter what age.

You obviously disagree with that philosophical proposition, which is why you classify the other kids' objections as "bitching" instead of recognizing that they have a point.

Many of us disagree with *you* on the philosophical proposition of yours that minors' free association and free communication and freedom of thought and freedom to choose what to read are trivial things of no consequence to be discarded at the convenience of others.

Which is why you're getting no traction.

It's a basic philosophical difference.  Our position is rational and well-founded and reflects ASR's practices accurately.  You just disagree with one of our basic philosophical premises.

Which comes down to the point.

A whole lot of parents agree with our premise that minors do have rights and that those rights matter.  A whole lot of them haven't really thought about the extent to which ASR violates those rights, and the ones that will care about it when they think about it will tend to be persuaded by our arguments.

The ones who don't agree with our premise won't be persuaded.

Your problem seems to be that those particular parents who agree with us philosophically may, as a result of reading us, decide not to use that facility.  Or that the voters who agree with us philosophically might make ASR change some of their practices.

Other people have the right to disagree with you.

Voters have the right to establish, and change over time, community norms for the care and raising of children.  Even if those norms protect rights of minors that you think are "trivial."

So, well, we disagree.

Timoclea
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