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« on: May 19, 2005, 09:32:00 PM »
Mother Responds to Ivy Ridge Stories

Malaica Valiente
Davie, Fl
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« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2005, 11:09:00 PM »
I don't know why and I don't know how, but the girls program is very different from the boys program.  I don't think the typical North Country man knows how to bring another boy/man in touch with his feelings to begin corrective behavior.  Corrective behavior is brought about by humilation and intimidation.  Very manly, not worth the money.
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2005, 11:12:00 PM »
Looks like the behavior modification has worked in your life. Do you think that maybe you've been duped. It sounds as though you really didn't have time to parent THREE children working long hours.  The two usually don't work. When you have kids - they need to be your priority. Sounds like one was difficult for you so you gave her to someone else - out of your hair - finally you could sleep.  Unbelievable. How could anyone sleep when their child is in a lock down facilty?  The things you read about these programs are true.  Thousands of personal accounts can't be all wrong. There are too many similarities. Your daughter is smart - she's telling you what she's been told to tell you.  If she told you what was really going on she'd be punished. Don't you know that they censor mail?  You need to stop drinking their koolaid and realize that there are valid reasons to not send your child to a residential facility for any length of time.  Is it just so you can sleep and interact with the two "good" kids?

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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2005, 11:56:00 AM »
If you want to know the common denominator between the kids placed in ivy ridge and about 85% of the people in jail, it is they were raised by a single parent. A WOMAN. you can bear children, just don't know how to raise them.
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2005, 11:58:00 AM »
umm... you are a psycho. there are plenty of jobs in the referall biz.. Im sure youd fit in nicely.
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2005, 11:59:00 AM »
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"  If you want to know the common denominator between the kids placed in ivy ridge and about 85% of the people in jail, it is they were raised by a single parent. A WOMAN. you can bear children, just don't know how to raise them."


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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2005, 03:44:00 PM »
As a former employee of AIR I know many students that have graduated the program.  Once they get past the resistant stage they realize it is not a bad place and it can help them save their lives.  I can't sit here and say it is all good.  But they do learn a lot.  They will still be kids when they leave and sometimes they will get in trouble.  But, all that I know always have great things to say about the place.  It is the kids that choose to see all bad that have so many problems with the place.  As for the mother that wrote on here, I knew her daughter when I worked there.  From what I knew of her she really did seem happy.  There was no reason for her to "fake" happiness to me.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2005, 03:57:00 PM »
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"As a former employee of AIR"


That says it all.
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2005, 05:13:00 PM »
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"As a former employee of AIR I know many students that have graduated the program.  Once they get past the resistant stage they realize it is not a bad place and it can help them save their lives.  I can't sit here and say it is all good.  But they do learn a lot.  They will still be kids when they leave and sometimes they will get in trouble.  But, all that I know always have great things to say about the place.  It is the kids that choose to see all bad that have so many problems with the place.  As for the mother that wrote on here, I knew her daughter when I worked there.  From what I knew of her she really did seem happy.  There was no reason for her to "fake" happiness to me.  "


Kids who have graduated the program have already been brainwashed to believe the program has saved their lives nad that it is not abusive. Therefore, their opinion doesn't really mean much, because it is not based on an objective consideration of facts. It is based on coercion, Lifespring seminars, and techniques developed by the Koreans to torture POW's. There's no reason to trust the opinions of a program graduate-- it is not his/her own, anyway.
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2005, 06:41:00 PM »
Former emp, did you go through the program?

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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2005, 10:28:00 AM »
Why is it that if they have graduated they have been brainwashed?  Maybe the people that that think that just could'nt make it.  Everyone on here is so close minded!!
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« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2005, 11:14:00 AM »
I don't think it's so much closed minded as the need to control or "being right."  Amanda graduated,I think, yet it looks like the anti-program brainwashing is working on her.  Anyone can find negative in most everything, the real growth and the real challenge is finding the positive.  There's also a big difference in complaining and actually doing something to change what we don't like outside of forums and newspapers, etc.  Writing and talking to newspapers is the easy way out because 90%  of the time (just my unfounded guesstimate) they want the sensational and victimy stories. I can look around my neighborhood, my local grade and high schools and find tons of things that I don't agree with.  I can either complain about it or take action in a positive direction.  Closing programs is not a positive direction, because it will never happen to the degree you all want it to.  One down - 2000 to go.  But, whatever fills your heart.......  The positive stories from Ivy Ridge and other WWASPS programs far, far outweigh the negative.

P.S.  Blaming something or someone else for what has happened in your life takes the responsibility away from yourself - Unless you were truly physically abused, that mindset will only keep you stuck. Does that put you in a happy place?  

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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2005, 11:29:00 AM »
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"Why is it that if they have graduated they have been brainwashed?  Maybe the people that that think that just could'nt make it.  Everyone on here is so close minded!!"


Not closed minded-- just realistic. I would be very happy to be proved wrong on this issue, but everything I've seen and read so far confirms that WWASP is a cult that abuses, coerces, brainwashes its prisoners into believing they were helped and that the program is not abusive or harmful in any way.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2005, 12:13:00 PM »
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"anti-program brainwashing"


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Get a fucking clue!
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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2005, 05:32:00 PM »
PHX,
  Glad to see you're signing your posts. Please feel free to register a username. It's been somewhat frustrating for me to be the only one able to make an educated guess about who you are when you post and unable to comment on it w/o betraying a trust.

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P.S. Blaming something or someone else for what has happened in your life takes the responsibility away from yourself - Unless you were truly physically abused, that mindset will only keep you stuck. Does that put you in a happy place?

Yes, it does. It would be hysterrically funny if it weren't so damned sad!

Blaming yourself for what someone else has done to you makes you a perpetual victim. That's how the Synanon method works to compel the captive to enforce their own imprisonment. Do you honestly believe that mental/emotional coercion is OK? As long as you don't leave bruises or scars, it's OK?

Here's the M-W definition of undue influence:
http://www.answers.com/topic/undue-influence

It's not just "manipulation" invented by malcontents who refused your benevolence. It's actually a legally recognized matter of law. And I think the troubled parent industry should probably brush up on that area of law. I think it's only a matter of time before someone makes a good case against one or another of the big players based, in part, on undue influence.

While we're on the topic of definitions, here's another one.

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Main Entry: news
1 a : a report of recent events b : previously unknown information (I've got news for you)
2 a : material reported in a newspaper or news periodical or on a newscast b : matter that is newsworthy
3 : NEWSCAST


Look at 2b: matter that is newsworthy. No newspaper is ever going to run a headline saying "Absolutely nothing of interest happened at Ivy Ridge today". Riots are newsworthy. Are you suggesting that the media should ignore them and not report on them when they happen? And do you think it's insignificant that they keep happening in WWASP programs? Think about it. There are many hundreds or thousands as many kids in JDC around the country as in private gulags. But they just don't riot anywhere near as frequently, do they? Can you explain that?

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