Involuntary Committment... Notice Any Similarities

[Deborah]

http://www.ect.org/news/newyork/breedingjulytest.html

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-19 20:49:00, Deborah wrote:

"http://www.ect.org/news/newyork/breedingjulytest.html

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Personally, I'd rather hear your personal experience than a broad generalization.

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[Antigen]

Holy shit, anon. I take it that you actually support and defend ETC? How very medieval!

Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die
-- Malachy McCourt

[Anonymous]

From personal experience it works.

I don't jump on anyone's bandwagon because
it is easy to print bullshit.

I had the treatments, it works, and when
it works, for some it is a tremendously
effective treatment.

Would you like me to deny my own personal
experience to be hip?

Would you deny me my next treatment if I
needed them?

Would you promote dis-information so others
may suffer and never have a chance at this
treatment, if they may ever need it?

Why do you give a shit anyway, do you have
personal experience here.

Or is this just let's be knowledgable in
areas where I have no experience theater?

[Deborah]

Paul,
I think you should continue your barbaric treatments until your brain is totally fried, if you choose to do so.

In the meantime, could you notice that your emotional attachment to this issue clouds your ability to stay on topic and address the issue at hand.

INVOLUNTARY COMMITTMENT AND TREATMENT

I know you like to believe, and would have others believe, that this isn't happening. It is, and sometimes strictly for political reasons. Some well informed professionals are working to have laws enacted to protect those who would be incarcerated and shocked/ drugged so they appear incompetant when they go before a judge.

You're 'disease' is taking any 'negative' comment about the psych industry as a personal affront.
Hope they find you a cure soon.

You think the good doctors testimony is bullshit? Dis-information?  Refute any points he makes and leave *me* out of it, if you can.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-20 11:26:00, Deborah wrote:


Personally, I'd rather hear your personal experience than a broad generalization.

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[Anonymous]

Is this anon being criticized because he has had ECT?

[Deborah]

On 2006-03-19 13:54:00, bandit1978 wrote:

"Can ANYONE really be made to receive electro shock therapy against their will??   Especially in New York, where the healthcare system is completely overwhelmed.  



I mean, I know of an adult woman, a long-time sufferer of schizophrenia, and her family oversaw her care for many many years, they finally asked the State of New York to take custody of her, and they refused.  "

I asked Sharon's advocates. The reply:

Sharon Naji's doctors were given an order to use ECT at the Doctor's discression!  Sharon is not mentally ill! She is not depressed.  It is social/political control.  The answer is., Yes!  ECT can and is used against a person's will.  It is used as a threat to control "patients" in New York!

And a further elaboration:
It cannot be understood until one witnesses the abuse first hand as he (another advocate) now has. He now knows how hard it is to advocate when the victim is drugged up on substances that change the personality, making it difficult to know what to do when the victim is so unable to function, to think clearly, and when they are taken to court in this condition so the doctors can "PROVE" that the patient is not well enough to be discharged.  Then while they are allowed to hang onto their insurance cash cow while her kids go to foster care and they plan her future within a system that doesn't treat her for a non-existent disease, but treats her like an animal until her insurance runs out and while she is evicted and loses her life!!!!!!
The lawyer, XXXXXX, never showed up. The lawyer, XXXXXX, who did a lousy job in court at Belleview showed up to "drop in" on her, but did not advise or consult with her about her case.                  
Sharon has been told she can't leave for at least a month.  She was supposed to be there for "evaluation".  When she tried to refuse the drugs they drugged her "stupid".  They [know] how much it takes to Interfere with her strong spirit. I heard the "change" on the phone over a few data since I first made contace with her!  She cannot stay focused!!  It makes me sick.  Now they will say it is the disease.  She will question her mental state herself!  TREATMENT!  My ass!!

[Deborah]

On 2006-03-20 11:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Is this anon being criticized because he has had ECT?

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Since when do anons have genders?
Paul isn't being criticized... only in his mind.
He lives in fear that moonbat, fringe people will take away his right to the treatment of his choice. He confuses efforts to ensure informed consent and that people aren't forced into treatment, as efforts to remove his rights and access to drugs. I think those he serves refer to that as Paranoia.

[Anonymous]

On 2006-03-20 11:46:00, Deborah wrote:

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So this is about Deborah and Paul?

[Troll Control]

Is this the same Paul as "the light guy"?

_________________
"Compassion is the basis of morality."

-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-03-20 12:04 ]

[Anonymous]

Only Deborah knows, she appears to be posting
for both of them  :lol:

[Deborah]

On 2006-03-20 12:04:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:

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Is this the same Paul as "the light guy"?



_________________

"Compassion is the basis of morality."



-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2006-03-20 12:04 ]"

Yes, Light Box Paul. I'm not certain it's Paul, but the message is a perfect match to his style and content. He has also admitted having ECT.
Perhaps Paul will confirm or dispell my guess.

[Anonymous]

It's so sunny in southern california, why is a light necessary, why not just go outside?

[Deborah]

Well, I thought the same thing and asked him. He declined to respond.