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Offline GregFL

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« Reply #90 on: May 11, 2005, 09:44:00 PM »
that was not leviticus Buzzkill.

My point, while maybe crude, is that my post was really a parady of yours, coming here and insulting others belief systems. Then you have the gall to proclaim the bible, one of the most violent, hatefull bloody books in the history of the world, is the direct word of a supernatural creator that requires constant ego gratification and created us soly to Worship him. What a rediculous notion.

And Yes, I do get to JUDGE the bible, including the myth of Noah. After all, it is me who reads it and then decides if it is worthy of consideration. It is not. It is a collection of ancient fables.

Don't even get me started on the flood and Noah. The whole damn thing is just unbelievably oversimplistic,non-scientific and impossible.

So Buzzkill, in conclusion, what you did was come here and pick a fight with the mormons based soley on their belief system, only you got the atheist riled up enough to respond.

 Your religious arrogance is offensive and no less silly than the mormon account of the supernatural. The difference is you rarely see Mormons initiating that kind of thing, it almost always is fundie christians.
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« Reply #91 on: May 11, 2005, 09:46:00 PM »
What about "happy is he that dashesh the little ones against stones"

We are not only supposed to take babies and smash them against rocks, we are supposed to be HAPPY when we do it.

A loving god?

B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.

The christian god is actually derived from an ancient polytheist war god.  It is not even an original jewish idea...
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« Reply #92 on: May 11, 2005, 09:51:00 PM »
All knowing messenger? Well, knows enough, to know that much  :wink:

I'm not to worried about the law as it was given prior to the fulfillment. You might want to consider Jesus' attitude toward women. He was the first to speak out about women's rights, maybe ever.

He settled an argument between Lazarus's sisters by making it plain that it was OK to sit and talk; debate and learn, instead of cleaning house, if that's what you wanted to do.

He didn't condemn the woman taken in adultery and instead shamed the crowd so anxious to do so.

He treated the women around Him as important persons - as loved and valued by God as any man - in a society were they were chattel; and in a part of the world where they still are, if they are not lucky enough to be Christian or Jewish.

As for the quote above - Yes it reads as if its God's vengeance. It might have been. I'm not altogether familiar with that verse. However, It might also have been a statement of what their rebellion against God would bring upon them as a natural consequence of their rebellious actions.

See, I think God's laws for man kind are for his greater good. I think we break them at our own peril. Not because God is going to strike us down, but because the natural consequences are going to be negative. Its these natural consequence God is trying to protect us from by directing us not to do the various things that are considered sin. There are spiritual consequences as well - and they might well be worse than the other - but in any case - there are good reasons to obey God's directives. He made us and He knows what is good for us and what isn't.

So back to your verse - *could be* that God knew their actions would have this result - Maybe He withdrew His protection from them, as they no longer asked for it, or wanted it - being in rebellion as they were. So they suffered the consequences of their actions. Maybe. This IS often the case.
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« Reply #93 on: May 11, 2005, 09:51:00 PM »
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I will add than Jesus did point out that the law was given in recognition of the hardness of men's hearts.


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No, Jesus said that he was here to uphold ALL the old testament laws.


1Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

   Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


READ YOUR BIBLE BUZZKILL

Care to discuss Jesus' take on slavery?

Your god is the war god...read your history books as well, the ones left that were  not destroyed by the conquering Crhistians.
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« Reply #94 on: May 11, 2005, 09:56:00 PM »
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See, I think God's laws for man kind are for his greater good. I think we break them at our own peril....
 He made us and He knows what is good for us and what isn't....


.knew their actions would have this result...




Hey, I just Won a bet!!!!

I told my friend via instant messenger that upon your being confronted with absolute proof your god is a vengefull bastard, you would do the two step shuffle and start justifying these biblical words.

Well, Buzzkill, welcome to a long history of justifying rape, murder, incest, animal sacrifice, and torture and maming children....

ALL FOR THEIR OWN GOOD!!!!


Thank you god!!!
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« Reply #95 on: May 11, 2005, 09:57:00 PM »
Well Greg - we disagree.

You have your reasons and I have mine - and they seem much to far apart to be reconciled.

This long dissertation of mine has grown of its own accord. I have not done anything more than try and respond to others with what limited abilities I have. I AM sorry if that offends you.


That is NOT what I said Greg.

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came to fullfill the law - fullfill, not uphold.
There is a diference.

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« Reply #96 on: May 11, 2005, 10:01:00 PM »
here is a quote from your loving Jesus Buzzkill...



 
 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.  
 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.  
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.



Care to play the "quote Jesus" game Buzzkill? I think you need to critically examine what it is you are devoting your life to here.
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« Reply #97 on: May 11, 2005, 10:04:00 PM »
What do you think that verse means Greg?
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« Reply #98 on: May 11, 2005, 10:07:00 PM »
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God who shall be punished with everlasting destruction."



VENGEANCE, Buzzkill, not mercy, not compassion, but Jesus shall take VENGEANCE...


This is the fable you have signed up for.....
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« Reply #99 on: May 11, 2005, 10:11:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-11 19:04:00, BuzzKill wrote:

"What do you think that verse means Greg?"


What I think is not important. The words stand on their own.

Oh, we could now play the "justify and twist the meaning to make it a kinder gentler VENGEANCE filled Jesus", but I am doubtfull he ever existed, whatwith this passage being written some 60 years after his supposed death, by someone who claimed to walk with him. Therefore, loose interpretation is meaningless to me, it is the content that I think YOU should critically examine.

That would put this apostle in his 90s, eh?  The average lifespan in circa 90 ad was around 35.

Something is fishy here my good lady...
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« Reply #100 on: May 11, 2005, 10:20:00 PM »
There is Grace, Mercy and Salvation for anyone who wants it Greg.

If you don't want it, God will not make you take it.

If its a fable - its the only fable that has had such power to foretell what will be; or to have such power for change and redemption.
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« Reply #101 on: May 11, 2005, 10:20:00 PM »
Buzzkill, you said What about Jesus and women?

Damn, you opened a hornet's nest.

Jesus telling his followers to obandon their wives and children...

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.  
 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.
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« Reply #102 on: May 11, 2005, 10:21:00 PM »
Wanna talk more about Jesus Buzzkill?  Or would you just rather apologize to the mormons here and tell them their belief system is just as valid as yours?
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« Reply #103 on: May 11, 2005, 10:23:00 PM »
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"There is Grace, Mercy and Salvation for anyone who wants it Greg.



If you don't want it, God will not make you take it.



If its a fable - its the only fable that has had such power to foretell what will be; or to have such power for change and redemption.
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Reverting to a special pleading debating tactic Buzzkill?  That is the bastion of the weak my lady.

Answer to the Violence, hatred, VENGEANCE, etc, etc, etc of your religion, or just concede the point and say you believe because you like it.
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« Reply #104 on: May 11, 2005, 10:24:00 PM »
Care to quote some of that Prophecy for critical review there Buzzkill?

That is what you are alluding to, isn't it?


Post it, lets take a looksie!!!
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