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« Reply #60 on: May 10, 2005, 02:20:00 PM »
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On 2005-05-10 04:54:00, Perrigaud wrote:

 Yes Ginger. I know that CBS and CCM are under the same WWASP organization. However they are run differently. I would know that better than most who have been to only one.


Yes, but it's not really different people operating from different beliefs and values. It's a very small group of the same people playing good cop/bad cop.

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« Reply #61 on: May 10, 2005, 04:31:00 PM »
If this Ryan bone head is refering to the Mr.Grant that drives the kids to the school from the airport and is behind the wheel the whole time while his wife Mrs.Grant sits next to him?, then that just proves he is full of it.
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« Reply #62 on: May 10, 2005, 06:26:00 PM »
Who are you to be calling anyone a bone head?

You can wish all you want - but it won't make it so.
This is one very intelligent and articulate young man, and you look like a major moron calling him a bone head.

Scares you to have one of your much touted Program grads maintain their individuality doesn't it? Especially when they are as bright and out spoken as this one.

Better fill your xanax bottle if your going to be reading his well expressed points of view.
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« Reply #63 on: May 10, 2005, 06:31:00 PM »
I call him full of shit because if he is refering to the mr.grant i talked about, then he is a bonehead and you too buzzhead
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« Reply #64 on: May 10, 2005, 08:21:00 PM »
Ryan, dont listen to the anon, it probably is Mr Grant or a wwaspie, Ive heard stories about him, from girls too. The guys name comes up way to often
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« Reply #65 on: May 11, 2005, 07:59:00 AM »
Boarding school? Shit I would've been happy to run away from that as well. I actually thought I was going to a boarding school. But when I realized I wasn't I was a lil upset.
Yoga retreat? Yeah that might have helped. I didn't want to be anywhere near anyone. Just wanted to be alone. That was half the reason I kept running away.
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« Reply #66 on: May 11, 2005, 11:54:00 AM »
I can agree with Ginger and everyone and I can agree wiht Perri. The program is fishy. There is corruption and greed running the program operators and that will never lead to a good program. Until someone opens up a program or a therapy center that is run by people whos heart and credentials are good and in the right place and who actually (supprise supprise) want to help the kids who go there, then it will fail miserably. Because it all comes down to whos running it. Even as ok as CCM was to Perri and I, because of the people running it it had corruption that may not have effected us, but it effected others there and that makes it an unhealthy thing. I think the reason Perri is intent on advocating for her change is because not ever single principle of the program sucks. Im sorry guys but i just dont think it was 100% retarded. I learned a great deal about being responsible and taking accountability for my actions. To me that dosnt mean accepting accountability for stuff that isnt mine. It means that where I need to responsiblility for my actions I do. I cant go on blaming others for my mistakes. For instance I quit smoking two days ago. i get into the habit at times of blaming others for my ability to not quit. My husband smokes and that makes it hard, my friends smoke and that makes it hard, nicotine gum is too expensiv eand gross, blah blah blah. But when it came down to it, I just needed to suck it up and stop making excuses of why I needed to keep smoking. Another example is my mom and I got inot it a while back. She was helping my husband and I buy a house, helped us fix it up, and is still tring to help us sell it. Now, my mom put in more work than me and my husband when we fixed it up and paid for all the materials. All she wanted was for us to show we cared and put in the effort it takes to fix up a house. But we always had excuses as to why we couldnt. Cant find a babysitter, JJs sick, Im tired, blah blah. the truth was we both are lazy and didnt want to do it. When my mom confronted me about the house not gettign done soon enough, i took a good look at my ecuses and realized I was the one responsible for my actions. I needed to put in more effort and I was just not doing it. I cant go very long without realizing where I am mistaken about things and change that behavior. I think that is a grat thing for me. i dont think Im a ba person. We all do that from time to time. But Im glad that I can change that quickly now. All I know is I was a miserable unhappy person. Then I went to the program. After that my life changed, and I feel for the better. But to be fair, I also continued therapy outside the program and continued working on my relationshoip wiht my parents too. we would not be as close as we are if I hadnt done alot of work on our relationship after the program. I can see Ginger and others points about the parts of the program that are fucked up. But I can see the small glimer of good it has too. Ginger is right though. The greedy bastards who are running the program WILL NOT REFORM IT. They just wont. That would mean less money and a conciouse. So no it wont happen. I am more looking foreward to the programs shutting down and someone new with better intentions and safer ideas to open a better program for those who need it. For now teaching our kids how to be responsible, strong, caring people is the best defense we have. We need to teach our kids from the beginning that they are loved. That they are creative beings who can healthily experess their feelings. We need to bond wit them from birth, make them feel safe so they trust us and believe in themselves. We need to teach them to be more aware of their community and their world so they learn to care for others. we need to teach them how to make choices and how to deal wiht disappointment in a healthy and real way. I guess for now that is the best we can do.

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« Reply #67 on: May 11, 2005, 01:52:00 PM »
Anybody interested in reading details of allegations against Byron Grant concerning sexual abuse, please visit this page: http://www.isaccorp.org/tranquility/tra ... report.pdf
You will need acrobat reader.  

For my naysayer friend, the Mr. Grant I?m referring to may have been a driver at one point but was a family father when I was there ? from 1999 to 2001.  He was a big man and loved talking about his brief amateur boxing stint.  He had something of a flat-top fade and gigantic hands.  He worked with Honor at one point and may have also been Renaissance?s family father.  People first became suspicious of Mr. Grant when he began calling kids at home after they had left TB ? typical pedophilic behavior.  Read the full report.

There are rumors that he was convicted on child molestation charges stemming from a separate incident with children in his neighborhood.  He is supposedly serving time in prison.  These rumors have not been verified.  

In any case, I don?t want to say that Mr. Grant?s appetite for young boys is irrelevant ? because it is not ? but that is not the real issue.  What is important to note is that the structure of WWASP created the conditions needed for Mr. Grant to prey on children.

And what is more important to note is that any institution that promotes behavior modification/brainwashing/coercive persuasion should not exist.  Mind control is a violation of the most basic human rights.  Any support for these or similar techniques is irresponsible at best.  Personally, I consider supporters of WWASP deviant and callous.  Others consider them wayward and ill informed.  In any case, they are perpetuating the existence of a criminal and harmful organization.  

By the way, I prefer asshole to bone-head but I suppose the latter will suffice.

Ryan Pink
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