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« on: April 23, 2005, 02:15:00 PM »
From Andrea - PFRR

We actually are having a debate here in MA about the Educational Consultants who help parents find the right program for their troubled or struggling teen.  They say they don't take kick backs but what is the difference with taking a kick back and being flown out to the state where a program is, being put up in a nice hotel, being fed a lavish meal, and spending 2 hours on a PR tour and taking kick backs?

I would think it is all the same!  That is my opinion!  Some of these folks charge an astronomical amount of money to find the "right program" almost always out of state or the country then - can't and or don't have the ability to follow through with a school system to get them to fund the program..  Just wondering what folks thoughts were on this..?
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2005, 03:33:00 PM »
Why do people still try to look for the 'right program' instead of reattaching their cerebral cortex to the rest of their grey matter and realizing there isnt one!

You're not gonna drag your kid around like chattel property bound in cuffs or drug by escorts to some magic place where they're taken away, and mysteriously made perfect with you not knowing how they did so and without knowing a damn thing about your kid.

You help your kid grow yourself, but they arent just changed and 'fixed' like a fucking machine. You cant change someone that way without inducing a psychological regression and reprogramming them - and even that wont last too long.

Sorry to repeat the reality of this... AGAIN, but I just dont get the point of people definig 'struggling' or 'troubled' and throwing kids into damned reprogramming warehouses, and then DELUDING themselves into thinking it was the right, loving, and "hard" thing to do.

It must feel great to pat yourself on teh back and really think it was such a hard thing to do, giving your own flesh and blood up to escorts and a mysterious program and your kid kept utterly helpless and hopelessly isolated from ANY outside help or communication at all, huh.

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2005, 05:11:00 PM »
One of the many terrible experiences of being at one of these shitholes is meeting a kid your parents referred. When a new kid arrives, you can tell by his clothes and their accent what part of the country they are from. When someone would arrive that I knew was from near me, I always hoped I wouldn't know them or recognize their last name as friends of my parents. The prorgam convinces parents to seek out their friends and convince them their child needs to be sent away. Disgusting.

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I never did reveal to that kid who I was, I was much too ashamed, not for my actions, but for my parents.
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2005, 06:02:00 PM »
Yeah, one of the saddest days in my program was the day my best friend showed up. And I had to stand up and tell him how happy I was that he'd be getting straight like me now. I also took that oportunity to frame the relationship as having been just like a real blood brother and sister, in hopes that I'd be allowed to talk to him eventually. It didn't hurt matters any when my dad and his mom started talking marriage, but it sure was a shock to me to hear about it in group!

Hear me people: We now have to deal with another race - small and feeble when our fathers first met them, but now great and overbearing. Strangely enough they have a mind to till the soil and the love of possessions is a disease with them. These people have made many rules which the rich may break but the poor may not. They take their tithes from the poor and weak to support the rich and those who rule.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2005, 06:08:00 PM »
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On 2005-04-23 11:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"From Andrea - PFRR



We actually are having a debate here in MA about the Educational Consultants who help parents find the right program for their troubled or struggling teen.  They say they don't take kick backs but what is the difference with taking a kick back and being flown out to the state where a program is, being put up in a nice hotel, being fed a lavish meal, and spending 2 hours on a PR tour and taking kick backs?
I would think it is all the same!  That is my opinion!  Some of these folks charge an astronomical amount of money to find the "right program" almost always out of state or the country then -

I agree. There's no significant difference between a cash pay off and a mini vacation. I also have very little faith in these people's ability to recognize a psychologically abusive program when they're standing right in the middle of one.

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can't and or don't have the ability to follow through with a school system to get them to fund the program..  Just wondering what folks thoughts were on this..?

Andrea

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I think you open a Pandora's box when you make more public funding available to programs and schools that claim expertise in taming the wild troubled teen beast. Theoretically, that funding comes w/ strings attached. But that never stopped CEDU/Brown from operating highly abusive programs partially on the public dime. Never stopped Straight, Inc. either, for that matter. It was bad pr, victims coming together to corroborate each other's stories and the threat of meaningful legal action that brought those beasts a little low. (and they're still not really gone, either one)

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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2005, 07:22:00 PM »
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I agree with you all the way, what really gets me is the cost that is associated as well with these so called consultants, when parents are ever so vulnerable, turning to anyone they can to get help for their children.  It stinks!
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2005, 07:30:00 PM »
Politicians call them "fact finding tours".  These Junket tours can be called many things, but it's still a kick back plain and simple.
 
How the Ed-Con(artists) decide what school to place is truly baffling.  I think a lot falls back on the good-ole boy network.  Edcons that used to work at one the hell holes sends more clients.  You'd think they'd have at least some ethics.  Such as not sending anyone to a boarding school that is licensed by the state for day school only.  (That's the case in the one I've been fighting with).
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2005, 12:35:00 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2005, 02:43:00 AM »
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I agree with you all the way, what really gets me is the cost that is associated as well with these so called consultants, when parents are ever so vulnerable, turning to anyone they can to get help for their children.  It stinks!

Andrea"


Cool! We can agree! In my view, the edcon industry could be easily replaced and upgraded by print publications. How about if Consumers' Union did an indepth and ongoing survey of the industry? It would serve the parents and kids better, but not the current cast of characters running the industry.

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2005, 12:55:00 PM »
Not a bad idea!  
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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2005, 04:40:00 PM »
to answer the question that started this thread- taking undisclosed direct payments for referring teenagers to these facilities and becoming, in effect, an agent for them who is working for the behavior mod program and not the parents of the teenager is far worse then going on the junket.  That is not to say the junket is ok-it is not,  or that all these places aren't suspect- they are-- but if parents come thinking a consultant is working for them and they are actually working for the school that is dishonest even if the placement was ok for many reasons including the fact that the consultant has an undisclosed economic stake in a more restrictive and more expensive placement rather then encouraging a solution in the community where the family lives.
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