My Son At Thayer

[SPEAKINGOUT]

OK NEMO- SAME ?? for the third or forth time- JUST ANSWER IT- NO OTHER JARGON- JUST THE ANSWER.

WHAT THREE UNIVERSITIES ACCEPTED THEIR DIPLOMA?

if you don't want to include the University your son is in FINE- just give us the other two.
DO NOT SKIRT THIS ISSUE- answer the ??

[Anonymous]

:cool:  I know full well what Thayer is like.  What you seem unable to accept is that this is just what he needed.  He confirms this to me.  

If you truly do know what is done to children at Thayer, and you condone it, then you're even sicker than I thought.

[tlcrescue]

Nemo, I think the point many parents are trying to make on here is simply this, do you honestly believe that a school that abuses children, to a point that a child dies, is worth it?  Because your son "faired ok" with the TLC experience, yet many others are abused daily....even as the evidence dhows, to the point of death....do you still feel it is worth it?  Are you saying the boy that died in November, was valueless?  His life was worth nothing simply because your son faired ok?

Honestly, I would like to know your thoughts on this  decause, from what I am reading from your posts, you seem to think it doesnt matter that other students are abused...even to the point of death...as long as you got the desired results for YOUR son.

[Anonymous]

Dear Friends:

On 09/05/04 I made a post on this site entitled, "Why I post anomalously".

Since some of you may not have seen this post, let me restate the salient point.  It is also the reason why I am not going to inform you of the university my son is at.

I received the following e-mail (my e-mail address was posted back in Sept., '04), from one of your fellow sophicates, a Mr. Devlin Graves, as follows:

"i just sent a copy of your post on the Fomits Board and sent it to the
Divsion of Family Servies in Missouri. What you admitted that goes on in Thayer is child abuse and you by keeping your kid there you are now a party to it. Congragulations the DFS will find your identity and hunt you down and i hope they lock you up, and take your kid away! You should be spaded and neudered. Your no parent.."

To give you the full flavor of Mr Graves prose, I have left his spelling and syntax in their original glory.

Now, I know what you are all thinking, "Why didn't his Mom and Dad send him to English camp."

Well, I just don't know.  It might of been on account Mr. Graves pharmacological interests; or perhaps, for some other reason.

Now gentle reader, if you received such an e-mail, would you be prepared to disclose on this site sensitive personal information?

Fondest Regards, Nemo

[SPEAKINGOUT]

NEMO- YOU DID IT AGAIN!!!!
I specifically said that you DON'T need to even tell us where your son is, only the "other two" universities that he applied to, which would IN NO WAY identify him.  
You skirted the issue.  Whew... I am getting really tired of this game.
There are other things in your last 2 posts I would like to address, but then I know you will NOT ADDRESS this- AND ONLY THIS issue.
Then we can move on to the "other stuff"

COME ON NEMO- WHAT UNIVERSITIES ACCEPTED TLC DIPLOMA AND CREDITS!!!???!!!!!!

[Antigen]

On 2005-05-04 22:09:00, Anonymous wrote:



 :cool:  I know full well what Thayer is like.  What you seem unable to accept is that this is just what he needed.  He confirms this to me.  

No wonder you're so skittish about using your real name. I ask again, though I don't really expect a straight answer from you at this point, why didn't you just kick his ass and ride him like a psycho drill seargent yourself? Is it because you havn't got the stomach for the violence? Because you know it's criminal child abuse and you were afraid of facing the legal consequences? Because you're just too lazzy to do it yourself when you could pay strangers to do it for you?

What is the reason to hire the people at Thayer to rough up your kid for you? What do they do there that you couldn't do yourself?

"Narcotics have been systematically scapegoated and demonized. The idea that anyone can use drugs and escape a horrible fate is an anathema to these idiots. I predict that in the near future right-wingers will use drug hysteria as a pretext to set up an international police apparatus."

--William S. Burroughs

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[Anonymous]

I just happened to read this thread,looking for some info on a related topic: congrats on your kid doing well, I went thru a similar thing with a kid in a different school that these board-rats bash a lot---same outcome as yours interestingly enough, my kid is in an advanced college program, loves us, thanks us for sending him, the future is his---and ours.

Just blow these losers off, Nemo, that's what I do. Sure they'll bash any program that stops a kid from acting on every dangerous self-defeating impulse, cuz that's what these characters do, how they live, by and large, check it out by just reading their stories.  

I mean it's easier to blame a program than admit what a mess you've made of your life.  Self-justification: that's what this board is about, from Antigen the ancient pothead and on down to the membership in all its antisocial glory.

Also just blow off the lunatic who sent your post to Missouri Family Services---this lunatic can't read, I guess, since your kid is in college---not exactly Family Services material.  

They must have been laughing at Devlin "Can't Spell Worth a Shit" Graves all day long over there in Missouri if he really did contact them (and it wasn't just an opium dream or hallucination or something), this school, it's a legal program folks---trust me--Family Services in Missouri has more pressing things to deal with.

Best thing in my opinion is to use this board for information, it's good for that sometimes at least (although you always have to double check it somewhere else to validate it cuz of the crazies here)

And if you want to be kind to answer parents who are sincerely in need of information or advice and post here it's good for addressing them too.  

Your words won't help the others, they're lost, it'll take more than a stranger's words on a computer terminal before they turn their lives around. It' nice you want to help and be reasonable---but I don't think it's possible with most of the types that prowl around on Fornit's

But I agree it's good to stay anonymous when dealing with criminal/insane types.

[Antigen]

On 2005-05-05 14:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

Sure they'll bash any program that stops a kid from acting on every dangerous self-defeating impulse,

No, I generally focus my attention on programs that kill kids, like Roberto Reyes, and those that torment kids, like so many who have been through WWASP programs and lived to tell about it.

How can you possibly defend people who kill children???


 

In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws.  But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
--Martin Luther King

[SPEAKINGOUT]

some people- apparently YOU included just don't care what goes on at TLC, or other's like it.  I have spoken with some of you- it's very sad.  We are not crazy people- and you should be careful about broad statements like that.  Most of us are caring parents who bought deception out of desperation to HELP our kids- we put them in harms way.  We are trying to make a difference here- not just complain about the past- but change the future.  NO DOUBT some kids need programs- but, they also need to be safe, non-abusive, and effective.  There ARE SOME OUT THERE- I sent my son to one AFTER I rescued him from  TLC.  The Child Protective services would arrest any of us if we did any of these things to our kids that TLC did.  But, they are somehow above the law.  We are NOT going to sit back and take it, and this board is just ONE WAY we are SPEAKING OUT. We are not gonna stop until they- TLC and every other program that abuses and neglects kids is gone.  
You, Nemo and the other "parents" that think that this treatment is ok have a problem.  And, I use that term "parents" very loosley.  Just because you make a child doesn't mean you are fit to be their parent.
We care about our kids, and your kids,and all the kids out there that are/or have been mistreated.  That's what we are about- that's what we've always been about, and that's what we will always be about- so stop trying to make it about anything else!

[The Liger]

On 2005-05-04 22:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"My son seems well adjusted to college life.  He is getting all "A"s and laid on average 3 times a week.  That meets my definition of a well adjusted young man."

!!!

[Anonymous]

Boy, SPEAKINGOUT, are you ever "special"---at least in your own mind!!! You're going to tell me what is means to be a parent: I don't think so!

Get this--my kids would see your raving and your so-called "responsibility taking" and your rants about what it is a parent as a pathetic joke.  A weak stupid person on a crusade to justify him/herself.

Disgusting.

They would see you as a joke--like I do--- and like any clear thinking person would.
 
What "special" knowledge do you have--you don't, you know---it's just your limited little interpretations of circumstances that anyone with a little more smarts and some sense of responsibility is likely to see completely differently.


I tell you---being a parent is tough sometimes, sometimes it means making really hard decisions, and we've made them and we've stood by them and we're happy with them.

So do what you like in your own pathetic family--you are so full of it about Child Protection and about anything else you try to pass off as knowledge--I don't know why I'm even bothering to argue with a fool like you

I say to Nemo and other parents who stepped up to the plate and did what they had to do: GOOD FOR YOU, THANK YOU FOR BEING A LOVING PARENT AND MAKING THE HARD CHOICES.  You'll reap the rewards

And for the whiney losers like SPEAKINGOUT--you'll reap your own consequences, that much is clear--just remember--when you fail with your kids there's not much left to succeed at.

[Anonymous]

Thank you very much for you supportive comments.

You are right, this website is basically the land of the losers.  Everyone is a fashionable victim.  I have never seen a former boot camp attendee ever write about just what self-destructive (and almost certainly illegal) behavior caused their parents to send them off.  They are all victims.  Come on now gang, be men (or women).  Stand up for your own self-destructive choices and actions.  Admit that most of you were drug abusers (probably still are) and that you could not control yourselves.  

No, no one wants to own up to his or her teen-ager behavior.  If you read the posts, sound something along the lines of this:  I was a good (well, mostly good) teen.  One day I was walking home from school and was abducted by space aliens. They kidnapped me and took me to this awful place called boot camp...."

The most candor one finds is when someone says they were "doing teenage stuff", which one will "grow out of".  That comment seems to encompass such "stuff" as drug use/dealing, violent behavior, rebellion against parental authority, running away, drunkenness, failing school, etc.  A good truth-in-posting-rule would require each poster to honestly state the actions and choices he or she made that caused his or her parents to spend their hard earned money in attempt to save their child.

Some posters, such as Ginger, required two trips.  Ginger, why did you not give up drugs the first go-around?  

The answers back are all the same:  Quack, quack, quack -- if you support any boot camp program you are a child abuser -- quack, quack, give-me-another-joint, quack, quack, etc.

From what the parents write, the biggest problem seems to be they took their kids out too soon.  So, parents, are you happy now with your teens?  Are they back on drugs?  Do you sleep well at night when they are out?  Do they sound like Devlin?

What kills you victims out their in Frontisland is when people like us write about how the book camp worked for our kids.  It just highlights that you failed.  Failed utterly.  Failed completely.  And that in those dark moments of your loneliness, when one drug is wearing off and the other has yet to take effect (sound familiar Ginger?) you realize, despite all of your claims of "abuse" and "torture", that you are failures:  you failed as teens and now fail as adults.  Now, in that desperate search for meaning, the search that gives you some glimmer to live for, you must attack the vary programs that might have saved you from your current oblivion.

And so, you all meet up each evening.  You convince yourselves that your are victims (thus not responsible for your own behavior) and rile against those who have saved their children from your fate.  And then, when you log off your computer and pass by the mirror, you look at yourself and know the truth...

Fondest Regards, Nemo

[Anonymous]

There are a few grads that try to post about the good things that the program did for them and how they never saw abuse and torture, like Perri, and Amanda.  However, people like that don't stay around long because of the abuse they receive here.  The Fornits regulars refuse to believe that anyone could possibly have been helped since they were not or would not be helped.  It is a shame that more satisfied customers don't find out about this site and let parents know that everything the regulars post here is not true.  But...then again...those are the ones that go on with their lives are successful and don't have time to do this everyday.  I try to visit here periodically to encourage those that get bashed by the nay sayers.  Don't get fed up and leave, just keep encouraging!  Often distressed, hopeless parents end up here looking for help.  Unfortunately what they receive here is more discouragement and abuse.  Buzzkill seems to be pretty sharp about the industry and balanced on both sides, however doesn't post as much as the destructive foul mouthed ones.

[tlcrescue]

u know...it is not very kind to make general statements about "all" the parents.  I dont believe I have said anything derogatory about you in any of my posts.

That being said.  My son does NOT come on these boards because I wont allow him to.  He has been through enough and surely does not need to read the types of posts people like you put on here, such derogatory statements about people you know nothing about.  What purpose would that possibly serve?

Thayer worked for your children?  Great, fantastic!  But that doesn't excuse the fact that it is harmful to many.

I have repeatedly said that my son specifically said that while many, many students are abused at Thayer, not all the students are.  I have NEVER said that each and every student was abused!  I simply said that MY son was, and that my son witnesed the abuse of many others, meanwhile, there were a few that WERE NOT abused.

I post the reality, yet you want to throw around names and unsubstantiated slurs?  That is fine with me, because when people DO come on here to read these boards and gather information, they will see your antics and not put any faith into your statements.

AND, for the record, I was contacted by a private investigator who had been hired by some parents to check into Thayer before they sent their child there.  I also put him in touch with other parents, some that were happy with the program, some who were not.  I felt that the parents needed to hear it from all sides and make their own informed decision.  After hearing stories from both sides, what do you think they chose to do?  They chose not to send their child there becuase they felt the risks of abuse/neglect or even death outweighed the possible positive outcome.

And...btw...you can post on here under a made up username instead of a brown paper bag...it does not reveal your identity.[ This Message was edited by: tlcrescue on 2005-05-06 07:35 ]

[Anonymous]

Dear Losers,

I cannot for the life of me comprehend the utter abhorrence that you all have inflicted against me for each of my phenomenal posts.  I mistakenly anticipated that uneducated failures such as yourselves would be thoroughly impressed and awed by my spectacular utilization of spell-check and a thesaurus.  I am distressed that I have spent such substantial time away from the websites I usually frequent during the day when my wife is at work.  I have taken great care to make sure that each post really elucidates the type of intelligence that I believe myself to possess.  

I suppose I was arguing merely to appease myself.  While I believe my posts to be great and magnificent, I am wee where it counts.  You see, pointing out the poor spelling and grammar of others made me feel long and wide, but only in my mind.  Perhaps if I humbly exit this forum, I will have the time to respond to all those emails I get that promise to address my true problem.

Fondest Regards, Nemo