i was unsane when i got out.was quite the culture shock goin from full coord of exp. to the streets of cleveland in a few daze,,i couldnt stop strivin for perfection,, and couldnt accept others not understanding how i saw there motivations.. it was an ugly world. i took off ,, went hitchin around the country, threw out all the crap i didnt want.im thouroughly trained to allow an ashtray to get full now,, i like it that way :silly: i think its very hard to explain exactly what,, or how elan in my time was run{to compare to str8}if i rrecall, if newbies spent to much time talking,, they were "spread",, , if your expiditers were any good.ganging on a staff member? i dont think that could ever happen,, except in a riot kind of atmosphere,, altho i did see jim lehman get punched in the nose during a g.m.was a hoot,, but they guy paid,, and paid,, and paid.i assume there answer to acting out to get out was , if you wanna be spend your time in the corner,, getting g.med all the time,, ring,, blah blah,, go ahead,, i kno of no case where someone got out early for there troubles..but once again,, this just from what i saw