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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2005, 06:00:00 AM »
not cuz some bullshit progam, because he is a black hearted fuck. Stab you in the back in a heartbeat we were really cool for a long time but that was over after he threatened me.One word people
INSURANCE!


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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2005, 07:47:00 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2005, 08:12:00 AM »
weather or not he was abused,neglected,sent away. In fact he was put there because he was out of control, His parents took care of his ass.The boy had a silver spoon in his mouth ince adoption.The reason for all that is because he is a ruthless person. I have known him for about 5 years,we were real tight for about 2 years, and he was cool people, I hung out at his house all the time,I even hung out with his Mother god rest her soul and his father at (THE HOUSE)a few times. But he thought he was untouchable, he had his amature kids do the dirty work.(Fuckin gang that can't shoot straight) And the fact is, he wouldve gotten gotten away with it if he didnt send some unproffesional little rat. The fact is I am sure that if it had gone smooth. Chris would probrably have rubbed him out too. I got away from Sutton at the right time.(I got my fucking ass kicked by him and two other shitheads over a girl and protecting my friend) My point is and this will come up in court is that there was quite a big life insurance policy and thats all that needs to be said. P.S. I have no knowledge of the case itself but I know Chris and I know that anyone who would kill his own family blood or no blood is not worthy of life on this earth.
p.p.s. Clay if you read this I still owe you one ::stab::  [ This Message was edited by: a guy on 2005-04-24 05:33 ]
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2005, 08:51:00 AM »
Of course, it's unacceptable to kill anyone whether it be motivated by resentment, greed, abuse, neglect. I feel certain 'justice' will be served in this case, unlike the 90+ cases where kids were killed in programs due to abuse and neglect, and the killer walked free, some still running or working in programs. That is not justice. It is a double-standard.

Had those, now dead, children perceived that their lives were in jeopardy, would they be justified in killing their abusive/ neglectful 'care takers'? And would justice have prevailed if they had? I'm guessing not.
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2005, 09:17:00 AM »
Yes but his ruthlessness is not driven by his past issues. Its money! I know the kid!
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2005, 09:43:00 AM »
It was all premeditated
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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2005, 12:29:00 PM »
***Yes but his ruthlessness is not driven by his past issues. Its money! I know the kid!

And do you have the 'professional' skill and ability to 'analyze' his psychological state?

There is obviously more going on than what appears on the surface, and your opinion. People in their 'right' mind do not kill, ever.
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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2005, 02:32:00 PM »
***People in their 'right' mind do not kill, ever.


More correctly, People with a conscience do not kill.  We are now facing a large part of a generation that is without a conscience.  I have seen firsthand high school aged children (in and out of The Program) who very clearly do not have any concept of consequences and we must ask ourselves how we are to deal with these individuals?

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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2005, 02:41:00 PM »
Look, this isn't the first time a kid graduated a Synanon based program and then went on to kill his parents. And I don't think it'll be the last time, either. It's more than coincidence. While the insurance policy may have been the major motive, you don't just kill your parents for money alone unless you're a total sociopath. Question is how did this kid become a sociaopath? Did the Program have something to do w/ it? I'm guessing it probably did. Sometimes the Program produces Herbalife scammers, other times serial wife beaters or women addicted to getting beat. Rarely does a kid come out of one of these programs really mentally healthy. Even those of us who keep our shit together pretty well have issues.

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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2005, 03:18:00 PM »
I consider people in their 'right' mind to have a 'conscience'- the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself.

While a killer may be conscious (aware) of what the consequences of their actions might be, I don't consider those who kill (or rape, or otherwise treat others with disrespect) conscious of the underlying distresses, conditioning, abuse, that may be the driving force behind their anti-social or violent behavior.

So, what do you propose?
We have ample data to indicate that jail, programs (incarceration and punishment) is ineffective.

An important sociological question would be, WHY, if it's true, do we have a generation of kids with no conscience?

Why is this phenomena not seen in other countries where kids are treated with more respect, where more attention is give to their 'real' needs?

Why is the US one of the most violent nations on the planet which models violence for it's youth? Why don't we have pro-human policies to ensure that all have the most basic of necessities, including quality time with their children (look at France)?

I don't theoretically disagree with serperating a violent person from society until they can get back to their inherent, 'right' mind. It's what happens during their temporary incarceration that is in question. I don't think it's helpful at all the way we are doing it in jails or programs. Both are grossly lacking anything useful. To punish them further for their lack of conscience, is not a very conscientious thing to do- in fact extremely disrespectful.

I appreciate Quinn's parable re: why government and bad policies are not going to bring about any great social change:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 03&forum=9

How do/would you interact with those high schoolers you've encountered? What do you perceive their need to be?
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« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2005, 11:00:00 PM »
***I don't theoretically disagree with serperating a violent person from society until they can get back to their inherent, 'right' mind. It's what happens during their temporary incarceration that is in question. I don't think it's helpful at all the way we are doing it in jails or programs. Both are grossly lacking anything useful. To punish them further for their lack of conscience, is not a very conscientious thing to do- in fact extremely disrespectful.

Well, I think that to say that these programs don't provide "anything" useful is an over generalization.  For a great number of these children, the Programs, believe it or not, are better than the environments that they came from.  Shocking, yes, but a reflection of life in our modern society as well.  I also see the need for these programs for purposes of separating violent children who are, yes, on their way to our "fine" penal system.  These situations exist and in many cases these programs are just a stopping ground for those who are on their way to an extended downfall.  I understand that these two cases are just a small minority of the number of children who are placed in these programs.  So, what do I propose?  

Absolutely, there needs to be some standard nationwide that declares how and when a parent can place a child in ANY program.  Now, here's where many of you will disagree with me.  I am a human rights advocate. I do believe that there are standards that ALL humans need to abide by, however I am not a huge youth rights advocate.  I do believe the parent should be allowed to parent.  And that means, to me, that the child, to some extent must abide by the discerning decisions that their parents make.  Discerning being the key word there.  It does require effort and work to parent and let's admit that a large number of our society is afraid to do that.  Does this take rights from children? No.  It does however place the absolute burden on a parent to be thoughtful and tough on behalf of their children beginning in the early years.  What a giant responsibility that too great a sector of our society neglects or perhaps just under prioritizes.  This is why I believe we have these children without conscience.  They have for so long not had parents who correctly taught and guided them.  I don't know.  Maybe we need to begin teaching classes on how to be parents right in the hospital delivery rooms.  We really only have about 13 years to train our children in terms of their core values.  After that, the world bombards them and it's really a hit or miss game.

In terms of the kids that are already in high school that clearly missed the core value lessons?  Again...I don't know.  I wish did have the answer.  The ones I come in contact with,  I definitely demand their respect.  And this is something that I will give back to them, but that is not a requirement on my behalf.  I have heard too often, "oh you're disrespecting me!"  Well, your acting a fool child.  I have a college degree and a good job and I know that I can make it in this world.  Let's start with respecting those around you including yourself and earn some good old fashion respect.  Not everything in this world can be given to you.  Let's try teaching by example, loving our children, and by that I don't mean giving them whatever is whithin reach, and teaching them to work for everything including respect.
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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2005, 11:39:00 PM »
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Well, I think that to say that these programs don't provide "anything" useful is an over generalization. For a great number of these children, the Programs, believe it or not, are better than the environments that they came from. Shocking


I don't think you fully apreciate the profound side effects of BM.

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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2005, 11:41:00 PM »
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 This is why I believe we have these children without conscience.


That is a myth. All the evidence we have shows that kids ta' day are no worse, and in many ways better, than kids in any other day.

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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2005, 05:58:00 PM »
Same here, I knew him personally.  I used to hang out with him and clay a bunch back in the day.  Chris thought he was gods gift to the world, I hope he rots in jail.  RIP to his poor mother, and my best wishes to his father, also I feel bad for his girlfriend since she has to deal with the fact that her boyfriend is a murderer.
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« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2005, 10:53:00 PM »
Chris is a real bastardized prick. He always talked about how much money was waiting for him when he got a lawyers degree. He only cared for himself, and no one else. He was the kind of guy that would snitch out his friends to avoid paying for a crime he did. He wasn't abused by any system or program. As a matter of fact he supposedly went on that Program in Samoa or so he said for snuffing out a kid. His Father supposedly would always get him off charges he would say. Unfortunately his Foster Father never saw Chris for what he was, and ironically he may never see again at all.He was not a guy that was created out of a program he was just a guy who since he was young was just pure Evil. Come on, what kind of a guy goes around admitting whether true or not that he unloaded a revolver in a kids face and got away with it.


Nuff Said
I am someone who doesn't exist anymore but knows the bastard for who he is. I unfortunately never got to find out about what happened till I saw his picture in the news. If not I probably would have told his Foster Father to kick him out before he does something to him as well.

I will continue to probably watch these events as they unravel but seriously whether he did or did not have anything to do with it. He is getting what he deserves for all the wrong his father got him off for.


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R.I.P to his mother and god save her soul for what that souless SOB did to her over so many years.
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