Opinions on SCL ~ Perrigaud & Friends

[Anonymous]

I got the site up! I can only write for a sec.

There were 2 bunk beds in one room. a private bathroom. The beds had to be made but not flawlessly. I was there 4 years ago so it might have changed now, dont know. We had a place to hang our cloths and a dresser to put our underwear and stuff away in. We had bins for our personal stuff.

We wore slippers for the first phase. We were indoors most the time for school and stuff so they were fine. (Actually quite comfy top wear slippers alot!) We wore shoes outside so we didnt have to walk in snow in slippers and all that.

We walked in lines, but not uniform lines. We didnt have to do crazy stuff like tough the person in front of ours shoes or anything. Im not sure what junior staff is. We didnt have that. They werent strict about lines.
Im not sure what a family father is either.

Ok I read the next paragraph and I see now. We had St. George girls come to our group every week, but not to enforce things or anything. See the kids on levels 4-6 lived at a facility up the road from the lower facility. It was much less strict and much more laid back. So once a week a girl from there would come and hang with the group. They were mostly there to talk to the kids in the group and stuff. I met alot of cool peopel that way. We most deffinetly didnt have Jr. Staff.

We had the letter thing. My parets didnt say what the kid on the site said. My Dad wrote me a huge letter saying he loved me, talked about what was going on with him, how he felt about me being there, how he thought the program would help, ect. He never said "im not getting you no matter what" but he said he wanted me to stay till I had time to work on my self esteem, work on our relationship ect. My step mom and Moment me similar letters.

My parents took out a second mortgage but didnt tell me till after the program. They never said any of that stuff. They never tried to make me feel bad about needing help. They supported me and let me make the changes I needed to when i needed to. When i chose out of seminars, they wouldnt say, "look what oyu did! YOur not working the program! Your going to be ther longer! Blah blah blah!" They were very kind, understood I wasnt ready and helped me see that I was doing my best.

I spent alot of time wiht my group, but since I had a room wiht three other people from my group I mostly spent time with them. I had some roomates that were lame, but most my roomates were so awsome. They were really funny is what I remember the most. Keeping sense of humor was a great way to have fun in lockdown. i mean, being in lockdown isnt a dandy old time cuz your locked down, but damn were those chicks funny! I miss them alot.
I have to write another post because I lost the site. Hold On.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-09 11:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"There are alot scarier things facing the youth of today than that! Hell global warming and the environmental threats facing all of us are scarier to me than any expereince I had in the program or anything!"

 :silly:

[Anonymous]

Ok here i go again.

We had like 13- 17 people per group. We had a therapist and family rep but no family father. We had bathrooms in the facility outside the rooms that were for everyones use. But they had doors and were separated so no different than a public toilet. We had a pretty hectic schedule for the time at the low phase facility, but at the high phase you directed your time before and after school. Actually, the only reason i gradutaed was because of the school there. It was self paced so the classes I had a hard time with at home were much easier to handle at CCM. I had ok grades as a freshman but as a sophmore I had horrible grades and was faling. In the 15 months I was there I made up all the classes i failed at home and graduated with a 3.5 GPA. I was pretty happy about that. If I remember the shedule at low phase it was get up, clean up the room and get dressed, eat, go to school, gym, eat, then school, then group somwhere in there for an hour, then individual thereapy, then fitness, leisure, ed video, leisure, dinner somewhere, quiet time for an hour in the room, shower time, and you could do whatever you wanted till bedtime. We claened our room every day so we didnt have sunday cleaning. At upper levels at the other facility you had deep cleaning, but it was optional. Mostly you just had to keep things tidy and I had 7 roomates at upper phase so we split it up.  

The eating schedule was 30 min for each meal. I think thats right. At high phase I think it was longer. I eat fast so i was always done like 10 minearlier than everyone else. Everyone got the same amount of food and the same stuff. So one got more suger than anyone else. We had to listen to tapes, bt we could talk as long as we were quiet. If oyu couldnt hear the tape you couldnt tak for like 5 min.

I dont know about hte med thing. They checked our mouth and oyu couldnt hide them. I took sleeping pills for insomina so i only took them at night before bed.

And my HS certificate is valid and I am actually in college so yeah. We had computers and nice classrooms for all levels so school was nice for me.

Staff members were cool. I liked alot of them and miss them. If they were being cruel or unreasonable in any way, they were fired. I had many staff that were witty and understood how hard it is to be where we were and treated us with respect and kindness. They tried hard to not single peopel out for getting in trouble and explain why they got a consequence. They were very reasonable. I had one staff member who played the guitar with me and was an awsome guy.

They didnt do take downs all the time where i was. If  girl got physically violent with another girl or staff member than they would restrain them. But we had alot of women staffers so we didnt have huge guys takign people down. Im also not sure what the hobbit is.

Everyone knew what needed to be cleaned so you just did your particular job and that was that. They inspected it and it had to be clean. But if you missed something they would just tell you and you fixed it without getting points taken away. We compromised about showers and most people got the time they wanted. Its a shower for Christs sake so most people didnt care. Plus the hot water worked so you still got a good shower. At the high phase it was an older buliding so the water heater didnt work so good. but you could take a shower at night or daytime so you could make it work. My family rep was there all day 5 days a week. She was a good lady. I visited her just recently.

Personally about the phone calls. i called my own mother a bitch and physically tried to hurt her every day. I realized how much i loved her when i coudnt call her.It was a wake up call for me. YOu may not agree wiht me, but from the way I had been treating my mom for 4 years I didnt deserve to talk to her. That may seem harsh, but I was cruel and awful adn abusive to my mom. I didnt care about talking to her at home so why get all butt hurt about not talking to her now? And I wrote her every day almost and she wrote me.

We had Isolation which was a room wiht a bed and a chair. It was for the kids who got physically violent, tried to run away, or were trying to hurt themselves. I never saw a person spend moe than acouple of days there.

I am running out of time to write. Have to go to work   :sad:
But Ill try to write more later.

[Anonymous]

You know, people do go to seminars outside the program wihtout being forced to because it is a good tool.

All I was saying is teh energy you use to hate the program wiht could be used to help very grave situations facing us today, right now, this very moment. There wont be a world for programs ro troubled youth or you or me or anyone if we dont take care of the threats facing our society. I am not trying to get off topic. i just want to put things in perspective.

I can tell you the things I learned in teh program were healthier than the things I was learnign before i wen there. I can say i was an extreme case. I would have killed myself for sure if I hadnt gone. I was cutting and attempting suicide on a regular basis so maybe Im an extreme case. But I wasnt learning anything helpful before i wen there.

"Death puts life into perspective"
Ralph Waldo Emerson

[Anonymous]

On 2005-04-09 12:53:00, Anonymous wrote:

"All I was saying is teh energy you use to hate the program wiht could be used to help very grave situations facing us today, right now, this very moment."

One big threat to our society is wholesale child abuse for hire, a MULTI MILLION dollar industry, which is growing rapidly. There are better alternatives than a behavior modification camp for teens who are suicidal and harming themselves. They are called psychiatric HOSPITALS. These are regulated by the state and run by qualified officials and actually have trained staff to help people with their problems. I don't know of any medical hospitals who have psychiatric wards are giving money to republican campaigns. I wonder why WWASP is such a huge corporate donor in Utah to the politicians in places of power to actually do something?

WWASP facilities aren't trained to deal with suicidal teens or anyone with serious psychological issues- they admit this! Why on earth someone would send their suicidal kid to a program that amounts to no more than a prison for teens? How many psychologists and psychiatrists are employed at WWASP facilities? Oh yeah, NONE! That would cut into the profit margins.

The bottom line is these places need to be shut down. There is good treatment out there, this is far from it. They're bullshit marketing and tactics of brain washing people to spout BS for the rest of their life (to justify their new way of thinking) won't last forever.

By the way, I saw first person how WWASP handles kids who injure themselves. One kid in our family took the end of a pencil, bit it down and made a sharp corner. He totally cut up his arms, it was sick. He said he did it out of anger. How did the staff deal with the situation? Locked him in isolation for 3 days. Treatment... riiight.

[Anonymous]

I think that taching a child self respect and how to deal wiht life starts fro birth on. you cant not teach your kids that stuff and expect when they are teenagers they will get it. But my parents tried many different alternatives for me before the program. I did go to psyciatric care, hospitals, was on antidepressants, therapy (weekly, daily, you name it) antibuse, my paernts triend talking to me, not talking to me, being nice, being men, everything they could. Nothing helped. By the way, the mental hospital where I live, which was where I was going to go instead of CCM, was horrific. Teh living situation was disgusting, the staff were rude and hated their job, ect. I am so greatful to have gone to CCM instead of there!

I got the help I needed there so there you go. Cant argue wihgt that. Im still here arent I? I have not had a suicidal thought since going there. How do you explain that? If it was so horrid, wouldnt my suicidal tendancies be magnified?

I think it is true that prents need to try alternatives to the program before even considering it. It is an extreme thing only for extreme cases.

When  a kid hurt themselves in our facility, yes true they went to iso. But they also spent alot of time in therapy to help them get out why they did it. If they just stuck them in there and said hey get over it and dont do it again, then yeah,not so good. In a mental hospital they would have done the EXACT same thing! But that is so much better right? If a kid is hurting themselves in a lockdown facility of any kind theye need to be taken away from the situation and they need to calm down.

[Anonymous]

The difference with psychiatric hospitals is there is something called patients rights. You have the right to contact with the outside world, and contact with visitors. This isn't the case with WWASP. Who do you report abuse to? Write your parents in a letter? We all know that doesn't work. I agree there are some pretty messed up hospitals out there, I've been to a few myself. I'm glad there are laws in place to protect my rights when I enter such a facility. Again, these rights are not in place at WWASP facilities.

I'm glad you don't have suicidal thoughts anymore. I am also not suggesting you personally had a horrible experience. We were at different WWASP facilities, at different times. It's possible to have a good experience even in a bad situation.

[Perrigaud]

Antigen,
 How do I feel? I feel sorry for them. However to me it wasn't that big of deal. It helped me. Quite honestly (I'm gonna offend a lot of people so get ready) I think that that's what seperates the survivors from the others. I feel sorry for those who were abused. It's a seminar, again the experiences were a lot more detrimental because they were what started the whole vicious cycle. It's about getting over it. I had no shame in what happened to me and how I felt. I knew this would help and so I shared. Did people challenge me? Yeah, people do it every day. In the end it helped. I could have chosen to let it humiliate me (my past) even after working on it. But life's too short to worry about others and what they think. Screw that. That's the mentality that lowered their self esteem before the seminar.